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I know, it’s just they constantly hammer in that it’s just “the timeline”, kinda confusing.
Also the infinite tunnel is strategy guide exclusive but, I digress.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Also the infinite tunnel is strategy guide exclusive but, I digress.
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Nope. It was completely unrelated to powerscaling.
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Well I’ll have to check it out then.
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It's interesting that Gerald subtly mentioned 06 with that statement of two usages of Chaos Control can create a portal in time.
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It comes down to this, how do you limit wording as only meaning one thing, even when there's evidence that it's just a way of speaking a single time considering other evidence.
We see that there are branched timelines in White Space, we are told all of time and space has been erased. Even if Eggman had said in all versions "I'll erase the timeline" or "I erased the timeline", that does not go against he also erasing other timelines.
If he had said "I only erased a single timeline, I couldn't do anything more", then that would be fine, as that would directly contradict what we also directly see in game. But he doesn't say that.
If he erased all timelines with the Time Eater, of course, he would have erased their prime timeline as well. You can do a positive reading of that line instead of a negative one as well (And the positive one goes in line with the rest you see in the game and also told outside the game, so I see no reason to make the negative reading other than just wanting it).
We see that there are branched timelines in White Space, we are told all of time and space has been erased. Even if Eggman had said in all versions "I'll erase the timeline" or "I erased the timeline", that does not go against he also erasing other timelines.
If he had said "I only erased a single timeline, I couldn't do anything more", then that would be fine, as that would directly contradict what we also directly see in game. But he doesn't say that.
If he erased all timelines with the Time Eater, of course, he would have erased their prime timeline as well. You can do a positive reading of that line instead of a negative one as well (And the positive one goes in line with the rest you see in the game and also told outside the game, so I see no reason to make the negative reading other than just wanting it).
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.........again with this? I would say "agree" if you had anything for the headcanon of "erased = is in White Space" to be an actual thing......but you don't, you keep using it as if it has any merit.......but it doesn't
Plus that doesn't matter for Stardust Speedeay bad future.......that you ignored as well for....some reason?
"When it comes to the multiverse, anything is possible" - Tails immediatly before saying this phrase
Are you being serious now?
Eggman saying he wants to rewritte "The Timeline"(ignore the literal higher timeline we literally see in game) means that all statements are wrong because? It doesn't contradict any of them
SCrew prima guides, "I WANT, TO EXIST" = MEPHILES, aka 06 TIMELINE DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL CAUSE IT WAS ERASED FROM HISTORY
See? This is what i mean by you ignoring stuff, you didn't even consider if it had more evidence, you just went "Prima guide.....so it doesn't matter"
Why are you always like this?
More hypertimeline evidence, the damage was so big that it affect non longer existent interactions of the timeline
AGAIN? Why is that you automatic assumption? Why are you always more hard on Sonic than on anything else?
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Mephiles wasn't in crisis city/silver's erased future
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I assumed that the ‘06 events in general were part of the same timeline since they all center around Iblis and Mephiles
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I’m just hard on Sonic cuz I’m thinking if all these arguments get debunked, then that means the positive args are strong enough I can be confident in them, so I just throw every negative at it to see if it’s ironclad. Maybe a bad strategy admittedly.
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........Mephiles was in a complete different timeline, have you not saw 06?
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I mean Crisis City is in Silver's future while Mephiles was sealed within Dusty Desert, which is in the present alongside Kingdom Valley. So even the locations from 06 in SxS Generations are from different periods of time.
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Minus DC
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But crisis city was also, in some way, triggered by the Solaris incident, would that not also be affected.
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......dude, you can literally generalize everything, there is no such thing as "ironclad irrefutable" argument, anyone can make up whatever they want to argue whatever they want
It is a bad stretegy, it is simply is impossible to work
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Tbh you also ignored Sonic 4, they even used the same assets from generations
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......what are you even refering to? Dusty desert is not in the same timeline Crisis city was in
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Fair, I guess I just get influenced because I hang out in a vs server where Sonic getting above like double digit uni and quadrillions c is seen as meme worthy.
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Cause that contradicts CD directly, so i can ignore it as there is no explanation
Outside of resoirce re-use, which can easily be discarded like how we discard game mechanics
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Maybe a retcon? It came after CD, no?
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It doesn't really, the future in Sonic is constantly changing and not linear
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CAN Bowser use the Pure Hearts alone?
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Well, how about that. The thing we reasoned based on in-game and supplementary evidence was intended
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Like Galaxy in Undead Unluck, being the embodiment of the concept of galaxies, but there are more galaxies
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No, but he has items like the Ally Phone to summon others (Mario, Luigi, Peach), and he could totally substitute the other 4 Heroes of Heart with his army like Tippi and the others did in another title.
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In lore? No. Bowser needs Mario, Peach, and Luigi to use the Pure Hearts.
But DB stated during Bowser's analysis that he can create perfect clones, so I guess they would argument that Bowser could just create clones of Peach, Mario, and Luigi so he can access the Pure Hearts.
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Nope. Never got a good argument for why he could.
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I thought only the Four Heroes were able to use the Pure Hearts. I know that characters like Bleck's minions were able to revitalize the Pure Hearts through their loyalty to Bleck, and the sacrifice of Blumiere and Timpani allowed them to unite the Pure Hearts into the Purity Heart and using it to destroy the Chaos Heart, but I'm still not sure.
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Tsk tsk tsk
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As far as I'm aware that was essentially retconned, apparently? At least according to all the blogs. Initially, (as all I'm aware is what I've been told), that was the case as stated by prophecy, but allegedly the other characters revitalizing them and using them to form the Purity Heart proves that the prophecy is wrong and that by all accounts anyone who fulfills the qualifications could utilize them. And, regardless, Bowser has the Ally Phone, so he could just Summon the other Four Heroes to grant him all the access he needs.
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This is the best argument for him being able to do it. So I think a decent case exists for it going by that trick.
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Even if not outside help, this is probably one of the most out of character moves he could pull.
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Nope, never retcon. This is just headcanon because without the Pure Hearts Bowser loses. At best Tippi and Bleck love could revitalize the hearts themselves, but they were only used with the four heroes present.
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Iirc Bonechill planned to use the power of a Pure Heart, so I guess anyone can use them? Maybe only the four heroes can use them at their full potential or something.
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Didn't they give Joker Sataneal? Think they really just go with the strongest version of the character even if that strongest form is conditional (Expect Light-Man, because).
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It cannot be that, cuz if Bad future happened......Eggman won and Little Planet was never made free again......which are both impossible to be so
Yeah, but the point of CD is Eggman setting a future as fact to make him the indisputed ruler...
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Actually part of the reason I think Eggman would win. I’ve mentioned this before—But to me the battle comes down to speed, information gathering, and intelligence, due to how many options they have directly countering each other. They each have specific advantages they can use to win the day, but the key here is being able to find out what they are, knowing what they are, and the ease of application through wit and swift action. All of which are Eggman’s advantages.
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That's literally what a retcon is (definition:the act, practice, or result of changing an existing fictional narrative by introducing new information in a later work that recontextualizes previously established events, characters, etc.), retcons were never supposed to always make sense
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Just checked the boss fight on Youtube and Bonechill states that acquiring the Pure Heart/Luvbi would make him invincible. So it could either mean that others can use the Pure Hearts, or Bonechill was boasting.
Were they specifically present? I'm pretty sure that Mario and the others had already separated from Tippi and Bleck when they opted to sacrifice themselves to destroy the Chaos Heart through revitalizing the Pure Hearts.
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No, they were literally there watching the weeding. Mario and co just weren't in Dimension D when the hearts were first restored.
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