Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

No, this is totally Death Battle's fault. I would've found Infinite's fate funny if Sonic wasn't so ****** in Death Battle. Every single episode has some form of spite, it's incredible.

It's why I typically don't watch Death Battle unless it's Omni-Man Vs Homelander cuz that episode is really good imo.

 

[Tipper17]

No, this is totally Death Battle's fault. I would've found Infinite's fate funny if Sonic wasn't so ****** in Death Battle. Every single episode has some form of spite, it's incredible.

Not really considering infinite rep been in the dirt for years
Metal was the MVP and was dog walking Bowser and his army with sage playing support while being responsible for Bowser getting flayed
I can get Eggman to an extent

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

I saw the animator confirm that Infinite didn't die in a Q&A... however Infinite now actually has the award for the fastest on-screen K.O in Death Battle history (8 second jobbing)...

 

[Theuser789]

Not really considering infinite rep been in the dirt for years
Metal was the MVP and was dog walking Bowser and his army with sage playing support while being responsible for Bowser getting flayed
I can get Eggman to an extent

There's a bunch of random Mario characters who can be made fun of and yet they didn't get any spite. Again, if Death Battle had a better history with Sonic I wouldn't have minded it. But we have Shadow spite in two out of his three episodes, Knuckles spite, Sonic spite and now Infinite spite plus Eggman not even getting a cool end boss mech. Lame.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Also I plan on doing my minor CRT for Surge tomorrow, so watch out.

Just need to find a reference for Surge creating a thunderstorm, tho I can't find one yet.

Anyone can point me in the right direction?

 

[Theuser789]

Just need to find a reference for Surge creating a thunderstorm, tho I can't find one yet.

Anyone can point me in the right direction?

It was in the IDW Riders arc that just came out. Around two or three issues ago.

 

[JJSliderman]

SNIP

He’s referring to Eggman dying and Sonic having no one to fight ._.

 

[Tipper17]

we have Shadow spite in two

I say mainly Mewtwo,Vegeta was season 1 shit and the fight was skit

Knuckles spite

I Can get it somewhat via analysis fight wise outside muh oh no spam and death he was mainly ******* up DK

Sonic spite

Mario vs Sonic 2 was ass I agree

and now Infinite spite plus Eggman not even getting a cool end boss mech. Lame.

Don't know what mech would fit the structure they were going for given it was written before lightman was a thing
Only thing I can say Eggman could've done more in the big mech he was in and given more than just that and egg dragoon but eh it was an army fight and ya had to give Metal and Sage screen time and moments

 

[Executor_N0]

Infinite rep has always been in the dirt let's be real and even then he killed portion or whatever of Bowsers men and has Bowser helpless at the time
You can say DB could've done better but blame Sega handling of him in forced and no other chances of redeeming him since then

It's certainly a "me thing", but I like to think that if I dislike something that was made officially, the best way of dealing with that isn't by repeating what I disliked and making jokes about it, but rather by picking the content and doing something that I think would be more respectful for either the characters or the world setting.

It's like what I did with recent Digimon movie projects, I disliked what they did with the Character and World Settings, so instead of just complaining or making jokes about it, I used my time to build something I thought showed the value of what I think is a good usage of the Character and World Settings are.

You could say I'm a very boring guy who isn't into most of the memes and jokes that appear around here lol

But as I said, that is just a "me thing", I don't expect most people to not just care as much about Character and World Settings in the way I do, but also don't expect them to react similarly about other stuff. Some people will just don't care, some will care even more than me and will start to threaten the staff, which is even worse IMO.

 

[Theuser789]

Don't know what mech would fit the structure they were going for given it was written before lightman was a thing

Egg Wizard, Time Eater, etc. Giving him the movie mech and the feaking FEB as the ultimate move is genuinely lame. Bowser can have a fanfic form and yet Eggman gets movieshit and a surpassed machine.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean, they also sorta only gave Bowser his Fury form because it was the "coolest" choice or something (I don't think the Grand Star amp really counts as a form tbh).

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

What if when Eggman was being inhaled he called Sage to bring out the Egg Wizard, Egg Salamander, Time Eater or at least something

Also minor thing but the Koopaling were scrapped

 

[Tipper17]

Egg Wizard, Time Eater, etc. Giving him the movie mech and the feaking FEB as the ultimate move is genuinely lame. Bowser can have a fanfic form and yet Eggman gets movieshit and a surpassed machine.

Fury Bowser is the only thing he got as far a cool forms goes and it's not really fanfic

Time eater was a matter of Budget and not wanting to take too much focus from the army or mainly metal and sage

 

[Theuser789]

Fury Bowser is the only thing he got as far a cool forms goes and it's not really fanfic

Time eater was a matter of Budget and not wanting to take too much focus from the army or mainly metal and sage

Fury Bowser being controlled, plus using the grand star with it is pure fanfic. Why couldn't we get Super Neo Phatom Metal, then?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Fury Bowser being controlled, plus using the grand star with it is pure fanfic. Why couldn't we get Super Neo Phatom Metal, then?

Dude, stop, you're just hating for the sake of it at this point.

 

[Theuser789]

It's honestly valid criticism. You can like it if you want, just saying why I didn't.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

I just finished watching the Bowser VS Eggman Death Battle livestream.

Spoiler

Regardless of who won, I hope we can all agree the episode was very enjoyable because the animation was really cool and they finally used higher end interpretation for the characters in the analysis. The "higher end" wasn't the same as on the VS Battles Wiki, but still, it's a massive improvement given how they previous didn't even believe Sonic could sometimes achieve light speed independently. Of course, they did the same for Bowser, which is how the two could compare, and ultimately helped Bowser get the win.

So this is where the Bowsegg discussion here starts. Okay, lemme read.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Anyway I be posting my small CRT soon (it was quicker and easier than I thought I was so sure I would have to post it tomorrow). Just gotta eat.

 

[Snek]

Anyway I be posting my small CRT soon (it was quicker and easier than I thought I was so sure I would have to post it tomorrow). Just gotta eat.

Does the crt also involve kit?

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

This clear bias is the worst part for me, but at least now I know I will never be Death Battle targeted fanbase. It's over. Goodbye forever, Death Battle.

Okay, you are kinda being dramatic with this one.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Does the crt also involve kit?

Unfortunately no, these are minor additions plus I'm not good at making or editing profiles (damn references) but like mentioned earlier IDW characters aren't really cared about by most Sonic supporters here.

Also speaking of which, it's done!

 

[Theuser789]

Okay, you are kinda being dramatic with this one.

I posted this right when I woke up, you're right, lol.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Honestly due to a million different factors, my interest in the actual debate was already non-existent long before the episode came out. I just tuned into the animation since I’m a big fan of both franchises.

The animation itself was crisp, Bowser was characterised perfectly, Metal got the respect he deserved and the kids didn’t get roughed up too bad, so overall I’m satisfied. Tbh with my non-debate perspective on it I was kinda hoping Bowser would win just because he’s more compelling as a protagonist, so I guess I got want I wanted lol. I fully get how everyone else might not be satisfied though considering how the actual debate is what matters most here.

 

[Starsprite53]

Fury Bowser being controlled, plus using the grand star with it is pure fanfic. Why couldn't we get Super Neo Phatom Metal, then?

This is just animation, animatoin =/= simulation, like how Goku used Kaio-ken with UI

 

[Theuser789]

This is just animation, animatoin =/= simulation, like how Goku used Kaio-ken with UI

Why couldn't Eggman get anything cool in the animation?

 

[Snek]

Unfortunately no, these are minor additions plus I'm not good at making or editing profiles (damn references) but like mentioned earlier IDW characters aren't really cared about by most Sonic supporters here.

Also speaking of which, it's done!

Unfortunate. At least we have our second cool idw feat.

Edit third. I just remembered Silver lifting the metal virus which is also pretty neat.

 

[Starsprite53]

Why couldn't Eggman get anything cool in the animation?

Gettting two giant robots with Metal transforming into Neo and SuperNeo isn't cool? Bowser only got one form with an amp from an artifact

 

[Theuser789]

Gettting two giant robots with Metal transforming into Neo and SuperNeo isn't cool? Bowser only got one form with an amp from an artifact

Only Metal was cool. Egg Dragoon is fodder and the Death Egg Robot is from the movies and did jackshit.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Only Metal was cool. Egg Dragoon is fodder and the Death Egg Robot is from the movies and did jackshit.

Okay, now you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. i can respect the generational beef you have with Desth Battle research. But if you wanna argue in good faith, Occam’s razor suggest that adding more mechs would be unwise due to time constraints.

 

[Theuser789]

Okay, now you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. i can respect the generational beef you have with Desth Battle research. But if you wanna argue in good faith, Occam’s razor suggest that adding more mechs would be unwise due to time constraints.

Just cut the Egg Dragoon or the Death Egg Robot, then. Better yet, the FEB.

 

[RedReaper616]

I don’t get the complaints on the animation. I think it was awesome. But I will say that the lack of Lightman surprised me, or that we didn’t see a final gambit from Eggman since he “planned out” the whole fight. I legitimately expected them to have Eggman use the Time Stones to accelerate the charge of the Modified Ruby to allow himself to become Lightman, revealing this was the planned Endgame of the fight, and then for Bowser to win anyway.

 

[JJSliderman]

I don’t get the complaints on the animation. I think it was awesome. But I will say that the lack of Lightman surprised me, or that we didn’t see a final gambit from Eggman since he “planned out” the whole fight. I legitimately expected them to have Eggman use the Time Stones to accelerate the charge of the Modified Ruby to allow himself to become Lightman, revealing this was the planned Endgame of the fight, and then for Bowser to win anyway.

Lightman was just too late for them to make more than that brief snippet in the verdict sadly.

I do call BS on Dreamy Bowser’s vague never used erasure being able to work on characters like super Neo Metal or Time Eater, who very clearly resist erasure on a universal scale minimum.

 

[Fireld]

we have Shadow spite in two out of his three episodes

You might push it to 3 as they made him kill Ryuko. He would NEVER! TBH Ryuko felt off there.

There's zero sign of Riders, Storybook or Rivals coming back let alone Sonic 4 ep3 and let's not even get started on the unresolved plotlines in the Archie comics (pre and post-SGW).

Damn it

Unfortunately no, these are minor additions plus I'm not good at making or editing profiles (damn references) but like mentioned earlier IDW characters aren't really cared about by most Sonic supporters here.

Also speaking of which, it's done!

Noice! Glad to see ya active again, I'll comment there later.

 

[Theuser789]

Lightman was just too late for them to make more than that brief snippet in the verdict sadly.

They should've just ignored it if they were going to bring such bad arguments.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Definitely feels like they underutilized Eggman's smarts, like they probably should have done something akin to what Tony did in his fight with Batman.

 

[Alexander]

Lightman was just too late for them to make more than that brief snippet in the verdict sadly.

I do call BS on Dreamy Bowser’s vague never used erasure being able to work on characters like super Neo Metal or Time Eater, who very clearly resist erasure on a universal scale minimum.

Yeah, they did everything wrong (even animation, yes, it was good, but again, many problems on that)

 

[RanHover60]

It's honestly valid criticism. You can like it if you want, just saying why I didn't.

Were you complaining this much about Silver vs Trunks

 

[Theuser789]

Were you complaining this much about Silver vs Trunks

I honestly didn’t give a shit about the match-up at all. I do think it was pretty BS to practically say Silver stomps when Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver is far closer than their canon counterpart, but Death Battle's Archie agenda transcends all.

 

[Alexander]

I honestly didn’t give a shit about the match-up at all. I do think it was pretty BS to practically say Silver stomps when Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver is far closer than their canon counterpart, but Death Battle's Archie agenda transcends all.

The canon counterpart Stomps from Silver side

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

I honestly didn’t give a shit about the match-up at all. I do think it was pretty BS to practically say Silver stomps when Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver is far closer than their canon counterpart, but Death Battle's Archie agenda transcends all.

“Archie Agenda”, Archie Sonic was scattered across the multiverse by a DC herald, let’s be real. Death Battle has its issues with sonic scaling no doubt but you are personally treating it like they are going outta their way to spite YOU specifically. Sometimes a spade is a spade and they just go the path of least resistance (or just plain straight up have dogshit takes).