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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

So I must ask...

Do you guys think Sonic should boost its maturity level anytime soon? And if so, how high do you think it should go?
I think it should fluctuate since having one set tone for every game would be a waste of such versatile characters. But I also belive the maturity floor should be raised well above anything from the meta Era but I don't have an opinion on a maturity ceiling aside from what common sense would tell you is OK for kids.
 
Yeah. Only Super Sonic was immune to the Egg Field there in the end.
You got a screenshot for that? I'd rather not go over the entire chapter if I can help it.
Memory Manipulation is a little but different
Different how?
It was? Shit that’s like 2 layers of mental fuckery almost
It IS two layers.
I guess that shuts down the arg that the Bowser minions resist egg field cuz of minion quest.
That argument was already weak in the first place because that gas is mind control, while that the Egg Field is 5D reality warping, memory manipulation, and causality manipulation that worked even on those who resisted similar effects before.
 
That argument was already weak in the first place because that gas is mind control, while that the Egg Field is 5D reality warping, memory manipulation, and causality manipulation that worked even on those who resisted similar effects before.
Not to mention the argument that "heart" can nullify the Egg Field
EDIT: Not to mention the Sol Emeralds, which have the empowerment properties, where affected by the Egg Field & didn't restore Blaze ALL 7 OF THEM
 
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I've heard of this argument before, could you divulge what occurs in Minion Quest that even facilitates these arguments
Captain Goomba is immune to Fawful’s mind control gas because of his loyalty to Bowser, even though it corrupted Private Goomp.

The Koopalings resist the standard variant of the gas but succumb to Fawful’s super strength variant.

Then by the end of the game all the minions Captain Goomba recruited become immune to the purple gas, the baseline.
 
Not to mention the argument that "heart" can nullify the Egg Field
EDIT: Not to mention the Sol Emeralds, which have the empowerment properties, where affected by the Egg Field & didn't restore Blaze ALL 7 OF THEM
I hate that argument. Literal fanfiction scaling and stealing Sonic's own resistances.
 
Captain Goomba is immune to Fawful’s mind control gas because of his loyalty to Bowser, even though it corrupted Private Goomp.

The Koopalings resist the standard variant of the gas but succumb to Fawful’s super strength variant.

Then by the end of the game all the minions Captain Goomba recruited become immune to the purple gas, the baseline.
So 1 Layer for the super strength variant?

But isn't that Mind hax, Memory hax may be a subset, but it does a different thing entirely
 
Yeah that’s true but some people equate them, or say resisting mind hax also allows resisting memory hax.
 
EDIT: Not to mention the Sol Emeralds, which have the empowerment properties, where affected by the Egg Field & didn't restore Blaze ALL 7 OF THEM
Isn't this a plot hole? The Sol Emeralds are supposed to be capable of everything the Chaos Emeralds are.
stealing Sonic's own resistances.
What exactly do you mean by "stealing" his resistances?
Captain Goomba is immune to Fawful’s mind control gas because of his loyalty to Bowser, even though it corrupted Private Goomp.

The Koopalings resist the standard variant of the gas but succumb to Fawful’s super strength variant.

Then by the end of the game all the minions Captain Goomba recruited become immune to the purple gas, the baseline.
So no one resists the super variant? Why even bring it up then? Lol
Yeah that’s true but some people equate them, or say resisting mind hax also allows resisting memory hax.
I mean... They're both mind manipulation. Can you explain how they differ so drastically?
 
Isn't this a plot hole? The Sol Emeralds are supposed to be capable of everything the Chaos Emeralds are.

What exactly do you mean by "stealing" his resistances?

So no one resists the super variant? Why even bring it up then? Lol
I kinda thought they would resist the super variant by endgame, but unless Fawful made a purple version of the super variant then it seems the answer is no. Idk why people kept telling me minions had super duper layered resistance.
I mean... They're both mind manipulation. Can you explain how they differ so drastically?
Memory is like a subset of mind, square rectangle scenario, so I assumed mind would cover memory.
 
I think it should fluctuate since having one set tone for every game would be a waste of such versatile characters. But I also belive the maturity floor should be raised well above anything from the meta Era but I don't have an opinion on a maturity ceiling aside from what common sense would tell you is OK for kids.
It should probably change up a little depending on the story being told. The next coming games should probably go on par or darker than what Frontiers and Shadow Gens got, but lighten up if it's a more laid back plot like in Heroes or Rush Adventure.
 
I may have misunderstood actually.

In any case... Bowser lost his memories from a good bonk to the head on more than one occasion
 
He did use the pure hearts yeah, but it was usually in a group with Mario and Peach, and all it did was null Super Dimentio’s invulnerability unless it was offered a love sacrifice, in which case it seals away the Void.
 
I'm sorry to bother you, but could you maybe find a video of when that happens? Not doubting you, but I'm eating right now, so I won't be able to look it up at the moment.
 
Thank you!

I can't find any moment of Bowser using the Pure Hearts, I think. They do activate when he and the others are all together, but it doesn't look like he's the one who did that.
 
He’s one of the four heroes of the Light Prognosticus, so in a sense he’s destined to use the pure hearts.
 
What exactly do you mean by "stealing" his resistances?
Sonic resists Eggman's hax. Therefore Bowser can do the same because... he just can, okay?

Like with the Pure Hearts resisting Otherworldification because Sonic did.

Thank you!



I can't find any moment of Bowser using the Pure Hearts, I think. They do activate when he and the others are all together, but it doesn't look like he's the one who did that.
Only when the Four Heroes are together is when the Pure Hearts can be activated. Obvious, Bowser has some fanfiction scaling to deal with this glaring weakness (or he can just summon the entire Mario verse to help him).
 
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Sonic resists Eggman's hax. Therefore Bowser can do the same because... he just can, okay?

Like with the Pure Hearts resisting Otherworldification because Sonic did.
Main thing I’ve seen is PH countering Time Eater due to sealing away Multiversal EE in the same vein as Time Eater’s erasure.
Only when the Four Heroes are together is when the Pure Hearts can be activated. Obvious, Bowser has some fanfiction scaling to deal with this glaring weakness (or he van just summon the entire Mario verse to help him).
Tbf, the pure hearts could still be activated even when Luigi was fused with super Dimentio in order to null his invulnerability.
 
Main thing I’ve seen is PH countering Time Eater due to sealing away Multiversal EE in the same vein as Time Eater’s erasure.
I've seen the Pure Hearts resisting Otherworldification on Reddit. The main argument is because of Sonic's "heart" speech against Lightman.
Tbf, the pure hearts could still be activated even when Luigi was fused with super Dimentio in order to null his invulnerability
Luigi being fused doesn't stop him from being there, but you just reminded me how the Pure Hearts can only be used once before they need "love recharges".
 
By the way, did we ever manage to find the scan that says Chaos is made of liquid spirit energy? The power-scalling blog once said that it's looking for it
 
By the way, did we ever manage to find the scan that says Chaos is made of liquid spirit energy? The power-scalling blog once said that it's looking for it
Yes!

One mention is in the Sonic Sticker Collection, with the book being a narration from Sonic's perspective. Upon reaching Chaos, he states he's a being made of liquid Chaos energy!

The second one is from farther back, I believe Sonic City. It was an officially endorsed website and iirc we need the Way back Machine to look at it. But the format is all messed up and looks plain. I think I have the link somewhere....
 
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