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Cutscene damage.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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You can argue most Sonic characters are sort of glass canons as a result, which is a fair and thematically appropriate weakness to have considering their status as speedsters. More was gained than lost overall. The fact that they can hurt their opponents with physical attacks without hurting themselves still means their durabillity scales. Sonic especially makes up for it with his endurance, willpower, and having the most amount of rings.
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They were always lightning bruisers,not fragile speedsters.
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The rings seem kinda odd to gauge. If a Moto Bug & Shadow hit base Sonic in gameplay the result is the same,he loses rings. We know who is more powerful,but how do you measure how much force it would take for him to lose some from a narrative & not a gameplay standpoint? Someone with equal or greater stats?
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That's the neat part. You don't.
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I'm mean,he ate a Spirit Bomb from The End/Supreme while unconscious,but a random infantry class Badnik wouldn't even scratch him,let alone make him lose rings.
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I’m talking whether them needing rings to last in their Super States is a game mechanic or an actual thing in lore.
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Now that rings AND IDW are both canon, I think the latter is pretty reasonable, but we still have several instnces of Sonic going Super without rings and/or without the time limit being a factor, so I don't blame anyone for believing either could be true
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Yep, as he went Super without a single ring in his debue no less
Depends on the power of the one hitting, Supreme takes 12 rings out of Sonic in Frontiers, and Shadow only 4 to 5 in Prime, so it depends on how powerful the blow being taken is in comparison to the one taking the hit
I mean......in all lore moments he goes without rings....like in 06, where he went Super while dead, so....no rings
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It's time I do sth I should've done Yesterday
Minus a couple exeptions here n' there. You'll hurt yourself, if you directly strike anywhere at Diablon or Biolizard's body, minus their weakpoint.
And it depends on how many rings he's carrying at the time.
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Not really.
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The too many cooks in the kitchen set up really kicks in with the rings shit, and Super forms having been timed out in IDW.
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Sonic......no contest, Cyber Corruption is OP
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Assuming the power ups stack Shadow would be super freaking strong.
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I’m gonna throw another bone to Shadow and assume this is a current Shadow with his Doom Powers.
Considering how Starfall Super Sonic is fast enough to blitz Avatar of The End Supreme while Doom Wing seems to have no kind of speed boost, I feel like Starfall gets a pretty big buff just based on that even if you assumed the Doom buff and cyber corruption buff were otherwise comparable in strength. However Super Doom Shadow would have some pretty nutty Chaos Control that Sonic doesn’t like to use while in-character unless absolutely necessary
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My favorite wins, your favorite loses
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I’d argue the general escalation we see in series would be. I mean, Perfect Chaos needs Full Power Adv. Super Sonic, which by all logic should be equal to Full Power Modern Super Sonic, since “all his power originates from the Emeralds.” Yet that’s not the case. Modern Super Sonic at his peak is able to harm the End, even without a power boost, and that’s the “Second Strongest Boss in Sonic history,” behind Solaris. Both draw on the full power of the Emeralds, and yet Modern is just…Superior.
Edit: Of course, Classic Super Sonic poses an issue with the Time Eater Boss Fight.
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The End is stronger than Solaris.
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I’m pretty sure Flynn put it at #2, behind Solaris.
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Ian's headcanon is wrong. Despite writing for The End, dude loves to downplay it. Thankfully he isn't the only writter for Frontiers.
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"I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods, they were mighty, they were finite, I am infinite."
Ian wrote that by the way and Solaris is still the strongest apparently...
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In fairness, Sega did an absolute shoulder-check and basically gave him the finger the moment The End "appeared" in Superstars
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Didn't Ian argue that was just a random space object? (Tbf, The End should've been trapped in Cyberspace during the time).
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Ah yes, I remember all the random purple satellites portrayed throughout the franchise KEK
Eh, fair. Still doesn't make sense tho
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LMFAOOO
Sega to Ian in that particular instance
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I won't lie: it felt so cathartic having Crush 40 playing during the final boss of a Sonic game after years. I'm pretty sure that the last time Crush 40 was used for a final boss was, ironically, Shadow the Hedgehog back in 2005...it's almost coming full circle in a way.
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counting by color and shape......Sonic's Earth would have like, 5 Moons(2 Normal ones shown in Riders, the cracked in half one from Adventure 2 and the Purple and Blue one in Superstars) which.......i don't know what implications this have tbh
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NONE! WE ARE DONE EDITING THE SIZE OF SONIC'S EARTH OK???
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Pepto snapped 
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Jokes aside, IF they were to theoretically even confirm something like 5 moons for Sonic's Earth, it would only solidify the "larger Earth" idea rather than give us an opportunity to actually calc it.
In a sense, it's already supported due to the insignificance the moon had on the Earth's tides. Now obviously they wouldn't pay attention to irl science in this franchise, but still.
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The End said that relative to Sonic’s memory, which does not contain Solaris. Despite the weird reference in TSR, no one remembers. See Sonic’s first encounter with Silver after 06, (they didn't remember each other at all and this was their “first time” meeting), and Shadow Generations (Shadow doesn't remember Mephiles, had thus Solaris, at all).
Based on…?
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Blaze remembers Crisis City though, doesn't she? On top of that, The End scales to a Super Sonic amped beyond anything he's ever been before. That alone scales it above Solaris.
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.......pfft
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The End tanked 4 Peak Super Form opponents at once and they couldn't beat it no matter what they tried, needing to seal him.....Solaris was taken down by 3
also read Sonic's mind, saw all that he ever fought, including the Eggwizard who is >> Solaris as it is more powerful than the Sol and Chaos Emeralds individually, needing the full power + Team work of both Sonic and Blaze to beat, and still said itself superior to them and "finite"
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