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No-one is saying he does
then why is everyone here in the ship of ''another dimension''being valid?that will imply sonic has cosmic awareness to know what his other self is doing IN ANOTHER DIMENSION.
the thing happening in the past makes more sense, i don't how people got the timeline split, it was never confirmed except for forces
 
then why is everyone here in the ship of ''another dimension''being valid?that will imply sonic has cosmic awareness to know what his other self is doing IN ANOTHER DIMENSION.
the thing happening in the past makes more sense, i don't how people got the timeline split, it was never confirmed except for forces
Who said Modern Sonic knew what Classic Sonic was doing? The whole reason the timeline split was brought up was because Modern didn’t remember.

Also most people here aren’t for Mania being an alternate timeline (at least I don’t think). The only one for that right now is Peptocoptr.
 
Who said Modern Sonic knew what Classic Sonic was doing? The whole reason the timeline split was brought up was because Modern didn’t remember.

Also most people here aren’t for Mania being an alternate timeline (at least I don’t think). The only one for that right now is Peptocoptr.
where is the proof that he didn't remember it?
 
No-one during Forces initially had any idea what the Phantom Ruby was or what it was capable of.
only Sonic and Tails were present when the phantom ruby did it's things, no one else was present, and time travel does not work like that.
if Sonic from the past goes to the future and then goes to the past, it does not mean the the future version would remember going to the future, for that to happen the future self most go to the past so he remembers his future self going to the past...sounds confusing but yeah that is how time travel works.
 
only Sonic and Tails were present when the phantom ruby did it's things, no one else was present, and time travel does not work like that.
if Sonic from the past goes to the future and then goes to the past, it does not mean the the future version would remember going to the future, for that to happen the future self most go to the past so he remembers his future self going to the past...sounds confusing but yeah that is how time travel works.
That-What-No? We're talking about how the Modern Cast doesn't remember the events of Mania, despite Mania being the past. Such as Eggman canonically not having heard of the Phantom Ruby in the Prequel Comic, but ALSO canonically found and harnessed it back in Mania. Or how Sonic and Tails canonically came across it in Mania, but have no idea what it is in the actual Forces game. The explanation that existed, canonically, for all of this, before the Timeline was put back together, was that it "Split." Generations caused an alteration to the timeline. You can hear about this from Flynn in older Bumblekasts (I believe) and I think Iizuka(?). However, NOW, it's all one continuous timeline, (TailsTube, Iizuka and Ian Flynn's recent Bumblekasts), meaning there's this inconsistency between events. Hence the question: "How does the Wiki approach this?"
 
That-What-No? We're talking about how the Modern Cast doesn't remember the events of Mania, despite Mania being the past. Such as Eggman canonically not having heard of the Phantom Ruby in the Prequel Comic, but ALSO canonically found and harnessed it back in Mania. Or how Sonic and Tails canonically came across it in Mania, but have no idea what it is in the actual Forces game. The explanation that existed, canonically, for all of this, before the Timeline was put back together, was that it "Split." Generations caused an alteration to the timeline. You can hear about this from Flynn in older Bumblekasts (I believe) and I think Iizuka(?). However, NOW, it's all one continuous timeline, (TailsTube, Iizuka and Ian Flynn's recent Bumblekasts), meaning there's this inconsistency between events. Hence the question: "How does the Wiki approach this?"
Ok
 
Also most people here aren’t for Mania being an alternate timeline (at least I don’t think). The only one for that right now is Peptocoptr.
It sure doesn't seem like I'm the only one who's against the retcon, but whatever. Not much can be done about it.
Hence the question: "How does the Wiki approach this?"
The way we're currently approaching it is good enough imo. Story wise, there's only one timeline, but power-scalling wise, we give Classic Sonic a key for his modern appearances to fix the inconsistancies. It doesn't make sense, but it's the most amount of sense this can possibly make. Any other power-scalling implications this time paradox carries should be ignored unless explicitely integral to the story.
 
It sure doesn't seem like I'm the only one who's against the retcon, but whatever. Not much can be done about it.

The way we're currently approaching it is good enough imo. Story wise, there's only one timeline, but power-scalling wise, we give Classic Sonic a key for his modern appearances to fix the inconsistancies. It doesn't make sense, but it's the most amount of sense this can possibly make. Any other power-scalling implications this time paradox carries should be ignored unless explicitely integral to the story.
Like Classic sonic restoring time
 
I just realized something about death battle. They accepted immeasurable speed for super silver for fighting solaris so they will probably give immeasurable speed to eggman as well.

Therefore unless they say bowser has immeasurable speed he's cooked by default.
 
I just realized something about death battle. They accepted immeasurable speed for super silver for fighting solaris so they will probably give immeasurable speed to eggman as well.

Therefore unless they say bowser has immeasurable speed he's cooked by default.
They didn't accept it because of Solaris. They did because Super Silver massively upscales from base Sonic's infinite speed feats and a Super form's speed is described as "incalculable". I don't expect them to ever explicitely scale anyone in the game verse to Solaris in a long time, still. That would require them to swallow thier pride.
 
They have admitted they were wrong with a few episodes, like Hulk vs Broly.

So I could see them giving Solaris scaling, but they’d probably cap it at universal and not give any speed out of it.
 
I don't expect them to ever explicitely scale anyone in the game verse to Solaris in a long time, still. That would require them to swallow thier pride.
Perhaps your right and I'm being a bit too optimistic. Ah well I'd be fine with it as long as they acknowledge the final egg blaster and that's what I'm betting will happen. Heres where I think they will scale both.

Eggman normal machines 5A while his FEB and greatest forms are 4A. Any low 2-C feat from the game verse would probably be considered hax.

Bowser on the other hand will probably be placed at 3-C.
 
Perhaps your right and I'm being a bit too optimistic. Ah well I'd be fine with it as long as they acknowledge the final egg blaster and that's what I'm betting will happen. Heres where I think they will scale both.

Eggman normal machines 5A while his FEB and greatest forms are 4A. Any low 2-C feat from the game verse would probably be considered hax.

Bowser on the other hand will probably be placed at 3-C.
I agree that this is what they'll do with Eggman, although 5A is likely to be reserved for some of his stronger machines that explicitely scale to the chaos emeralds. I'm split on whether they'll put Bowser at 3-C or under planet level, but I do think they'll put Dreamy Bowser and Time Eater at a relative level of power, with Eggman being a bit faster overall
 
Flying through the end of time might just be written off as time travel and not speed. Generally they go with the lowball interpretation unless its Marvel/DC god tiers.
mierda with that, this is the time eater, why would he not have the speed to travel through time?
 

We get to hear a bit of Metal Overlord's voice, in this. It is deeper than in Heroes.

It’s kinda hard for me to hear with everything else going on, but from what I can make out it sounds like a pretty good fit for him. Do we know who’s voicing him?

Also something important my powerscaling brain noticed was Shadow damaging Metal all by himself, with no Doom Powers or knocking back Metal’s attacks or anything else like that. Unless there’s some currently unknown extra context in the game, any kind of excuse we could’ve come up with to keep Shadow from scaling before are all thrown out the window.
 
If I am to spitball for a bit, I think my current thoughts regarding the Metal Overlord issue is that we should downgrade Metal to “At least Low 2-C (Phantom King scaling), possibly/likely Low 1-C (Illumina/Precioustone scaling)”, downgrade Egg Wizard to “Low 1-C (Illumina/Precioustone scaling)” and then upgrade Modern base casts to “2-C (based on Omega’s upgrade thread), possibly/likely Low 1-C”. Of course you can argue the many superiority statements should make Low 1-C or 1-C more concrete for Modern base cast, however this is the very least I believe these characters should be at.
 
Neither of these statements sounds very Immeasurable to me, rather just flowery language to make it sound dramatic
This has always sounded like a cop-out "debunk" to me. Anything can be dismissed under the guise of making something sound "dramatic". No different than "flowery language". An encyclopedia is informative in nature.
 
This has always sounded like a cop-out "debunk" to me. Anything can be dismissed under the guise of making something sound "dramatic". No different than "flowery language". An encyclopedia is informative in nature.
Well, sorry for feeling like this, but personally it does sound weak, if it was written directly like "Super Sonics fly through time to defeat Time Eater" it would be better
 
I know, they might just consider it as standard time travel and not speed based
Which is pretty much 90% true if that's the case, most of writers on the planet don't know what time travel through speed is and especially doesn't know that it makes you faster than infinity
 
Well, sorry for feeling like this, but personally it does sound weak
Don't apologize, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion and I can at least get why even if I disagree.

Also, on a different note, it seems from Overlord's dialogue that Shadow's Chaos Control doesn't work because "... I have that power for myself". Seems to me that he might resist it specifically because he copied it from Shadow (as he could still Chaos Control Super Sonic in Heroes without issue).
 
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