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It does seem like the kind of game that seems like it should not be canon, but you know how Mario canon is...
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Most of the evidence in the 1-A blog is similar to the evidence used to upgrade Arceus
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Don't you dare take 1-A Arceus away from us
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Can’t wait for the next pokemon game to delve into lore about Arceus’ true form, firmly contradicting 1-A in the process
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The thing about Arceus is that he is directly stated to be above every single spatiotemporal differentiation, the Chaos Force ins´t
Maybe you can argue for some stuff like "space and time being irrelevant" but the proof ins´t that strong imo
Maybe you can argue for some stuff like "space and time being irrelevant" but the proof ins´t that strong imo
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Oh. I see. How come this hasn't been queued yet?
Possible Mario Upgrade to 1-A (Outerversal)
The Mario verse includes Matter Splatter Galaxy, which is a superspace. Raw: ちょうくうかん しめ みち Translation: Super-space Shime Shime Superspaces contain the concept of space-time, making them Outerversal. (This video explains why the concept of space-time is Outerversal: ) The concept of...vsbattles.com
Outerversal Mario scale?
I recently found a scale on a Discord server which seems to get Mario to Outerversal. Is it legit? The Gentle Pull within Mario is the force of desire to be reunited with someone important to you. This desire force was applied to Mario as he's referred towards it and can influence it shown...
Not the same argument, but yet the same topic
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I appriciate your efforts with Sonic Powerscaling.
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Cause it sucks lol. One of them can be reworked and used to argue for 5D instead, but nothing higher
Thank you!
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I think the Chaos Force being above all of the abstract concepts/higher dimensional plane of existences prove otherwise. Adding onto how events of Sonic Generations is now canon in the Archie Sonic verse making the White-Space present within the cosmology show that the Chaos Force should be above every single spatiotemporal differentiation in Archie Sonic's verse.
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Yeah Arceus has his own stuff that the Chaos Force doesn't.
However, the Chaos Force does have some merit going by site standards. For example, the Chaos Force is stated to be the binding energy of all existence. It's also a conceptual realm, something the BDE page explicitly mentions;
So... Yeah lol
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Because it would just take up space of other threads
And i´m not even joking, it is blatantly wrong
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That was the point of my comment, you can´t compare both
But now i see some merit on the Conceptual stuff
None of this qualifies for 1-A and none of your logic proves it being above every single spatiotemporal differentiation
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Yeah after looking at that thread, it's not good at all.
Of courseThank you!
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I mean on his profiles, it states that he's beyond space-time instead superiority over all spatiotemporal differentiations
Well there is also Chaos Force binds everything which would include the Concept of Space-Time and is superior to everything
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I have a random question, if people would be down to give their thoughts on this.
Not asking in regards to VS Battles Wiki's standard of scaling and calculations, but, in a vacuum, do you feel volume could be used to calculate the speed of something? Like how one could use radius, or diameter of an object or place. If you knew the volume of said object/place, could that be used?
Not asking in regards to VS Battles Wiki's standard of scaling and calculations, but, in a vacuum, do you feel volume could be used to calculate the speed of something? Like how one could use radius, or diameter of an object or place. If you knew the volume of said object/place, could that be used?
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I just saw somewhere that there's an entire universe inside of a chaos emerald, is it not applicable because it's contradicted by several stuff?
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It's not applied because it's not an official source.
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Guys I have a question about the Badniks
The Egg Fleet lists the Modern Badnik as Universe level+ although the individual Badnik only get Wall level scaling. Does anyone know why this is?
The Egg Fleet lists the Modern Badnik as Universe level+ although the individual Badnik only get Wall level scaling. Does anyone know why this is?
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Because many of the Badnik pages are old and don't account for Modern scaling, mostly since they were made far before IDW and the likes made scaling more reasonable. So it needs to be fixed eventually
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Are each Badnik going to get era keys for scaling?
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Anyways I have a question for you all. If you were to make a vs video featuring a sonic character what would you make and why.
My choice would be could Sonic become the elden lord because of the narrative similarities elden ring has with the story book games.
- Sonic must gather the powerfull magic artifacts of the universe he's in to complete his objective. (Great runes.)
- Sonic opposes a world where everyone becomes immortal. (Marika successfully created an immortal world and in the game the player restores death to the lands between.)
- Sonic is guided by a woman who tells Sonic why he's there and in sharahs case grants him new abilities. (Melina tells the player to bring her to the erdtree and grants them the strength of runes.)
- And Sonic must defeat the greatest knights of camelot to aquire the sacred swords. (In elden ring you must beat the demigods to aquire parts of the elden ring.)
My choice would be could Sonic become the elden lord because of the narrative similarities elden ring has with the story book games.
- Sonic must gather the powerfull magic artifacts of the universe he's in to complete his objective. (Great runes.)
- Sonic opposes a world where everyone becomes immortal. (Marika successfully created an immortal world and in the game the player restores death to the lands between.)
- Sonic is guided by a woman who tells Sonic why he's there and in sharahs case grants him new abilities. (Melina tells the player to bring her to the erdtree and grants them the strength of runes.)
- And Sonic must defeat the greatest knights of camelot to aquire the sacred swords. (In elden ring you must beat the demigods to aquire parts of the elden ring.)
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I made a cursed sonic vs thread.
Thread 'Hedgehog Caught In A Hero Summoning!' https://vsbattles.com/threads/hedgehog-caught-in-a-hero-summoning.171087/
Thread 'Hedgehog Caught In A Hero Summoning!' https://vsbattles.com/threads/hedgehog-caught-in-a-hero-summoning.171087/
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What are Bowser's wincons again?
Because blitzing sure as hell isn't one of them.
Because blitzing sure as hell isn't one of them.
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The Death Battle staff wanting him to win lol
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The heavyweights of the world keep gathering around him and... Well that sounds ominous and that scenario from the plot summary seems like something that would happen to sonic.
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Layered transmutation, existance erasure, corruption via Black Paint
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Can he do these before he gets erased by incomprehensible speed & power?
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Currently I believe some people in the DB community think Bowser will get similar speed to Eggman, (I disagree because you can vastly upscale within Immeasurable, so even if Bowser is immeasurable Eggman's Robots would be at an incomprehensibly higher level than Bowser).
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I not seeing how they're going to get Bowser to anywhere near multi+/extra-dimensional or immeasurable speed without grasping at some straws.
Unless there's some Mario scaling I'm unaware of...
Unless there's some Mario scaling I'm unaware of...
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I don't think so, but they will likely be placed at comparable speeds
Bowser helped defeat Culex, who was a threat to all of space-time.
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IMO Eggman wins because he's smarter and faster, because their hax outside of a few key details evens out and depending on arguments (though biased as I am and also just genuinely think Sonic's higher ends are vastly more credible), they can be argued to be comparable in strength. Which means what matters is usage of those key differences, analysis of the enemy/knowing to use it, and the ability to use it first/speed.
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You see the Chad Mario has reacted to spaceships traveling several trillion c while the virgin sonic has yet to prove he's faster than light in canon.
Therefore easy slam dunk for bowser
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I feel the strategic and commanding advantage of Team Eggman is, personally, obvious. So, I feel Death Battle would likely have Bowser win if:
1. Too large a stat gap to do anything.
2. Somehow unkillable, and they don't (for some reason??) buy Cyber Space, Chaos Control BFR, or Null Space.
I don't at all feel Death Battle reaches conclusions out of malice, or anything. But, I do really hope they fully re-analyze both mainline Mario and Sonic, instead of basically building off of pre-existing research they have. I want them to treat them as if they've never before looked into either franchise, lest we once against have Stadium VS Large Stalactite battle as their peak.
The blood in my body will, in-fact, change state into being a Gas if they once more say that Metal Sonic's copying is imperfect. To this day, I still cannot find a source for that, myself.
1. Too large a stat gap to do anything.
2. Somehow unkillable, and they don't (for some reason??) buy Cyber Space, Chaos Control BFR, or Null Space.
I don't at all feel Death Battle reaches conclusions out of malice, or anything. But, I do really hope they fully re-analyze both mainline Mario and Sonic, instead of basically building off of pre-existing research they have. I want them to treat them as if they've never before looked into either franchise, lest we once against have Stadium VS Large Stalactite battle as their peak.
The blood in my body will, in-fact, change state into being a Gas if they once more say that Metal Sonic's copying is imperfect. To this day, I still cannot find a source for that, myself.
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Don't forget that Mario vs Sonic 2018 was 6 years ago, and only 7 years after the show's humble beginnings. It was episode 100 and we're now almost at episode 200. They've had more than enough time to update thier research since then and I'm positive it will be different. I'm just not confident that it'll be different enough for it to be based like Billcord was
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I'm still surprised they settled on low 1C bill so maybe they will give super forms uni+ scaling. If dark souls can have it I'm sure sonic can too.
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Bowser will win simply because he's the most popular choice and they said they follow the popular consensus 
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I'm optimistic enough to expect uni+ scaling for Super forms, yes. But they will for sure also make Dreamy Bowser multiversal so it doesn't really matter
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Again, Billcord and Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. As well as Phoenix vs Raven, Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna, and several others.Bowser will win simply because he's the most popular choice and they said they follow the popular consensus
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The mutant Galvanic Mechamorph vs The Egg Doctor (Past Malware VS Classic Eggman)
I wanted to make this match up once I finished my Malware CRT. It's Third Form Malware from the past VS Classic Eggman and his army. Eggman has access to anything up to 5-A levels of power. Battle takes place in Ange Island in Marble Garden but they can move to other locations. Speed...
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They also just recently had Goku lose to Superman a third time. If they were trying to reach a verdict that'd "please" people, a dead Goku is not what would have happened.
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