Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[MysticMania]

Metal Sonic could be super fun in a game. I imagine a 3D platformer in which you're sort of Too Fast for the levels and overshoot stuff, but, the game is designed with that sheer, extreme speed in mind.

And, an open world RPG in which you can copy different weapons, armor, equipment and powers, or pick them up to have an external, tangible version could be neat. I feel Metal Sonic is one of the few mainline characters that can go from helping a full town like an Elder Scrolls protagonist to killing a full town like an Elder Scrolls protagonist, without it being entirely out of character. Maybe this is Metal's "who am i" arc, if they wanted to go that route with a game like this.

 

[JJSliderman]

Unfortunate. I personally think Eggman should win. Both because I like him more, but also because I think him and Bowser are about even, with Eggman being faster, smarter, and more resourceful ways of knocking out the competition (as well as easily creating mirror matches that can overwhelm Bowser.)

I feel like Eggman should win too, it’s just the guy researching the episode has already made his opinions known. I guess they’ll bank on them being even stats but Bowser has more powers natural to him, so he can more easily deplete Eggman’s resources than vice versa by doing brick transmutation.

Shadow getting stuff is peak, but I need a Metal Sonic game and manga soon I swear-

Facts; dude’s been taking nothing but Ls outside Neo.

 

[RedReaper616]

I feel like Eggman should win too, it’s just the guy researching the episode has already made his opinions known. I guess they’ll bank on them being even stats but Bowser has more powers natural to him, so he can more easily deplete Eggman’s resources than vice versa by doing brick transmutation.

Facts; dude’s been taking nothing but Ls outside Neo.

You know what makes Metal losing so crazy to me in my mind? He’s the ORIGINAL Sonic rival. Moreover, there’s a lot of interesting stuff that CAN be done with him (particularly in how he is similar to Shadow, and thus they could relate over that, as Archie played with, OR in what his existence means—How does he PROVE himself to be SONIC?) that doesn’t get touched.

Also, something that always bugged me is Tails being impressed that Infinite was faster than Sonic, as if it was the first time. My GUY, the ORIGINAL Sonic Rival, Metal Sonic, is LITERALLY 4x FASTER THAN SONIC at top speed. (Base Form to Base Form, via the V. Maximum Overdrive Attack).

 

[Theuser789]

Also, how does this Discussion thread feel about Eggman’s odds against Bowser on Death Battle?

He will lose because of some extremely obscure Mario hax that appeared in one manual (I am a doomer).

 

[Theuser789]

easily deplete Eggman’s resources than vice versa by doing brick transmutation.

Man, this sucks because Bowser never actually does that in a single game PLUS he has infinite resources with the Ruby and infinite time travel with the Time Eater.

 

[JJSliderman]

Bowser can warp through space and time ily New Island.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Man, this sucks because Bowser never actually does that in a single game PLUS he has infinite resources with the Ruby and infinite time travel with the Time Eater.

He's done it in 5 games, unless you mean on screen in which case still did it in 2 (Not counting stuff like SMRPG where he can use items to transmute people as well)

Granted still doesn't make it the most in character move for him to pull out in a pinch, but just wanted to point that out.

 

[Theuser789]

Bowser can warp through space and time ily New Island.

Yeah, that’s a very WTF moment. Did they ever explain how he did that?

 

[JJSliderman]

I think Bowser winning is def reasonable if they use stuff like his infinite revives, abuse Kamek’s Hax like power null and item shuffling, use Boos and their potential layered intangibility and possession; etc.

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah, that’s a very WTF moment. Did they ever explain how he did that?

Nope he’s just that hench (even Mario does it in the ending seemingly)

 

[RedReaper616]

Yeah, that’s a very WTF moment. Did they ever explain how he did that?

Unironically all the explanation is: “SUDDENLY, BOWSER SMASHED THROUGH SPACE TIME AND-“ and that was it. He just did it on a whim, I guess, via being that cool. Which I honestly have 0 issue with, because it’s just as silly as Eggman escaping White Space with no resources whatsoever based on vibes.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Unironically all the explanation is: “SUDDENLY, BOWSER SMASHED THROUGH SPACE TIME AND-“ and that was it. He just did it on a whim, I guess, via being that cool. Which I honestly have 0 issue with, because it’s just as silly as Eggman escaping White Space with no resources whatsoever based on vibes.

Bowser “suddenly warping through space and time” is at least a funny “HUH???” moment. Plus I think it makes the slightest bit more sense since Bowser could technically gather the resources to do that, whereas afaik Eggman physically can’t.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I think Bowser winning is def reasonable if they use stuff like his infinite revives, abuse Kamek’s Hax like power null and item shuffling, use Boos and their potential layered intangibility and possession; etc.

Infinite revives get negged by all the methods Eggman has of pulverising Bowser completely. Even if his revives can bring him back from such a thing, they're unlikely to bring back crucial equipment that was lost in the process.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question have you guys heard of someone named Dr starline?

 

[MysticMania]

Unironically all the explanation is: “SUDDENLY, BOWSER SMASHED THROUGH SPACE TIME AND-“ and that was it. He just did it on a whim, I guess, via being that cool. Which I honestly have 0 issue with, because it’s just as silly as Eggman escaping White Space with no resources whatsoever based on vibes.

It also reminds me of Sonic, like, falling out of Cyber Space, I guess.

 

[MysticMania]

Question have you guys heard of someone named Dr starline?

I'm gay, yeah

 

[MysticMania]

Ah. Shadow's comic may very likely be in this style, and tone? I will not care for it.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm gay, yeah

Bro has something for the IDW-exclusive male characters and Idk if I like it. That aside...

Sonic Question Time: You have $30 dollars to spend on characters. The rest will try to kill you. No equipment unless specified, no macguffins, no prep, for anyone. Their chemistry remains as canon-like as possible, so bad combos remain bad combos). Who are you choosing to have your back?

$30: Big

$15: Emerl (All Chaos Emeralds), Neo Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman (In his Eggmobile, carrying his Deconstruction Handgun, and has 2 Egg Battleships with a company of Badniks each for support)

$10: Sonic, Shadow, E-123 Omega (Full Arsenal), Blaze

$5: Knuckles, Amy (With Piko Piko), Tails (With his Cyclone), Rouge, Rookie (Fire & Cube Wispons), Whisper (With her Wispon + Wisps)

$3: Lanolin (With Wisp), Tangle, Dr. Starline (Tricore), Cream (With Cheese)

$1: Rough & Tumble (Both), Infinite (Pre-Phantom Ruby), Mass-Produced Chaos Gamma, 3 Black Assassins

 

[ShakeResounding]

Might've made that too hard, I'm not sure half of you understand math

 

[Snek]

Bro has something for the IDW-exclusive male characters and Idk if I like it. That aside...

Sonic Question Time: You have $15 dollars to spend on characters. The rest will try to kill you. No equipment unless specified, no macguffins, no prep, for anyone. Their chemistry remains as canon-like as possible, so bad combos remain bad combos). Who are you choosing to have your back?

$15: Emerl (All Chaos Emeralds), Neo Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman (In his Eggmobile, carrying his Deconstruction Handgun, and has 2 Egg Battleships with a company of Badniks each for support)

$10: Sonic, Shadow, E-123 Omega (Full Arsenal), Blaze

$5: Knuckles, Amy (With Piko Piko), Tails (With his Cyclone), Rouge, Rookie (Fire & Cube Wispons), Whisper (With her Wispon + Wisps)

$3: Lanolin (With Wisp), Tangle, Dr. Starline (Tricore), Cream (With Cheese)

$1: Rough & Tumble (Both), Infinite (Pre-Phantom Ruby), Mass-Produced Chaos Gamma

To be honest I think I'm screwed no matter who I'm choosing and would still be screwed with 20$ but here's my best shot.

1. Shadow via necessity because if I didn't choose him he would teleport behind my guards and lodge a chaos spear through my throat. It also helps that he can do serious damage by taking off his inhibitors and is fast enough to keep up with the other speedsters. -10$

I'm taking nobody from the 5$ bracket because they're all straightforward fighters that can't compensate for being hopelessly outnumbered. Also none of them can stop sonic from charging at me and batting my head off so no thanks.

After that I'm taking dr starline because he's super versatile and has the raw stats to keep up with anyone on the list. He even as a last resort ability to activate all powers of the tricore simultaneously to do serious damage. He also has poison spurs and a hypnosis glove to one shot members of the opposite team especially since he can blitz people with his speed core. -3$

Last I'm taking infinite, rough and tumble because the gammas would get torn through like airline toilet paper. -2$

 

[ShakeResounding]

Loved your answer. Now...

To be honest I think I'm screwed no matter who I'm choosing and would still be screwed with 20$ but here's my best shot.

You're in luck! To make this more fun, I'll make it $30. Lemme edit my question.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Yeah, this scenario doesn't feel survivable at $15, Chaos Control instamurder is hard to prevent when there are multiple potential users present

 

[ShakeResounding]

Doubled it to 30.

 

[Snek]

Wait a minute what are the black assasins. Also if you ever expand on this question a 2$ bracket could be nice because cream for 3$ is outrageous.
Inflation has yet again got us good.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Wait a minute what are the black assasins

Black Arms enemies from Shadow's game

 

[Snek]

Alright thanks I might take them for my team

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

As for the prompt, $30 feels more survivable at a glance. Though I do have one question now upon seeing a certain option: where does the scenario take place? Somewhere specific, a place of our choosing, or just assume SBA?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Bro has something for the IDW-exclusive male characters and Idk if I like it. That aside...

Sonic Question Time: You have $15 dollars to spend on characters. The rest will try to kill you. No equipment unless specified, no macguffins, no prep, for anyone. Their chemistry remains as canon-like as possible, so bad combos remain bad combos). Who are you choosing to have your back?

$15: Emerl (All Chaos Emeralds), Neo Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman (In his Eggmobile, carrying his Deconstruction Handgun, and has 2 Egg Battleships with a company of Badniks each for support)

$10: Sonic, Shadow, E-123 Omega (Full Arsenal), Blaze

$5: Knuckles, Amy (With Piko Piko), Tails (With his Cyclone), Rouge, Rookie (Fire & Cube Wispons), Whisper (With her Wispon + Wisps)

$3: Lanolin (With Wisp), Tangle, Dr. Starline (Tricore), Cream (With Cheese)

$1: Rough & Tumble (Both), Infinite (Pre-Phantom Ruby), Mass-Produced Chaos Gamma

With only 15$, I almost certainly can't survive, but Sonic and Knuckles are my best shot. Sonic is an obvious choice due to his AD and willpower basically being plot armor incarnate, and they would surely kick in here since he has something to protect. His status as the fastest character is also really useful here. Meanwhile, Knuckles is the strongest. With an easy opening granted by his break parry, he could take down most characters here in only a few easy hits. Both him and Sonic can take advantage of cyloop's ring creation via thier mobillity options and speed respectively. As long as they have rings, they'll always survive and are unlikely to tire out.

With 30$, now we're talking! I'm adding Tails and Shadow to my squad. The former completes Team Sonic, granting them more resources, superior strategies, synergy, and mobillity. They can even use the Team Blast, allowing them to wipe out pretty much everyone in sight. Meanwhile, Shadow and his superior affinity and experience with Chaos Control along with his speed equal to Sonic make him the perfect body guard. He could easily teleport me somewhere safe. With just one time stop, he and Knuckles could potentially take out everyone else. Blaze, Amy, Metal Sonic, and the rest of Team Dark could still prove trouble-some though. Even Starline could be a huge threat if he's not quickly dealt with. I'm pretty confident in my survival, still. Shadow and Tails being on my side suddenly really turns the tide in my favor

 

[Snek]

Bro has something for the IDW-exclusive male characters and Idk if I like it. That aside...

Sonic Question Time: You have $30 dollars to spend on characters. The rest will try to kill you. No equipment unless specified, no macguffins, no prep, for anyone. Their chemistry remains as canon-like as possible, so bad combos remain bad combos). Who are you choosing to have your back?

$30: Big

$15: Emerl (All Chaos Emeralds), Neo Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman (In his Eggmobile, carrying his Deconstruction Handgun, and has 2 Egg Battleships with a company of Badniks each for support)

$10: Sonic, Shadow, E-123 Omega (Full Arsenal), Blaze

$5: Knuckles, Amy (With Piko Piko), Tails (With his Cyclone), Rouge, Rookie (Fire & Cube Wispons), Whisper (With her Wispon + Wisps)

$3: Lanolin (With Wisp), Tangle, Dr. Starline (Tricore), Cream (With Cheese)

$1: Rough & Tumble (Both), Infinite (Pre-Phantom Ruby), Mass-Produced Chaos Gamma, 3 Black Assassins

Alright this seems much more manageable.

Shadow is still a must because I don't want him to teleport to me. -10$

Starline is really versatile for his price and may be up there with the 5$ characters. -3$

I'm also keeping rough and tumble because they can hold up alright against 5$ characters for a bit so they're really good for their price. -1$

I'm also keeping infinite because we've seen him do well against random fodder so why not. -1$

Next I'm taking whisper because if I don't she may snipe me from several kilometers away while my team is occupied. -5$

I also might as well take sonic because he handles being outnumbered really well and would have my survival in mind more than Omega who could just ignore me to go after eggman. -10$

 

[RedReaper616]

Bro has something for the IDW-exclusive male characters and Idk if I like it. That aside...

Sonic Question Time: You have $30 dollars to spend on characters. The rest will try to kill you. No equipment unless specified, no macguffins, no prep, for anyone. Their chemistry remains as canon-like as possible, so bad combos remain bad combos). Who are you choosing to have your back?

$30: Big

$15: Emerl (All Chaos Emeralds), Neo Metal Sonic, Dr. Eggman (In his Eggmobile, carrying his Deconstruction Handgun, and has 2 Egg Battleships with a company of Badniks each for support)

$10: Sonic, Shadow, E-123 Omega (Full Arsenal), Blaze

$5: Knuckles, Amy (With Piko Piko), Tails (With his Cyclone), Rouge, Rookie (Fire & Cube Wispons), Whisper (With her Wispon + Wisps)

$3: Lanolin (With Wisp), Tangle, Dr. Starline (Tricore), Cream (With Cheese)

$1: Rough & Tumble (Both), Infinite (Pre-Phantom Ruby), Mass-Produced Chaos Gamma, 3 Black Assassins

Neo Metal Sonic and Shadow, pocket 5 bucks. Neo makes anyone not in the 10-15 dollar bracket (or higher) totally worthless with his insane copy ability and evolution, and Shadow to prevent CC Cheese, but also because he pairs well with Metal and has his own abilities that let him (alongside Metal) take out virtually anyone on the list. The only real threat is Emerl, presuming Metal can’t absorb/fuse with him like he does to the Eggfleet—But Emerl at that point would be near his overload, and Metal alongside Shadow should be enough to finish the job.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Neo Metal Sonic and Shadow, pocket 5 bucks. Neo makes anyone not in the 10-15 dollar bracket (or higher) totally worthless with his insane copy ability and evolution, and Shadow to prevent CC Cheese, but also because he pairs well with Metal and has his own abilities that let him (alongside Metal) take out virtually anyone on the list. The only real threat is Emerl, presuming Metal can’t absorb/fuse with him like he does to the Eggfleet—But Emerl at that point would be near his overload, and Metal alongside Shadow should be enough to finish the job.

Emerl is useless. He's tier 4 and finite speed in myriad of tier 2 infinite speed characters.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I think my answers are as follows: Neo Metal Sonic (15$) due to his absurd and broken asf AD and Reactive Evolution and, quite honestly, Shadow (15$) since he's basically a version of Sonic that has a decent amount of versatility to him thanks to his Chaos powers.

 

[Snek]

I think my answers are as follows: Neo Metal Sonic (15$) due to his absurd and broken asf AD and Reactive Evolution.

I don't know about taking a guy who cononically lost to getting jumped and having him fight a even more stacked army with one person as backup but alright. Although I'd take him if he were 10 bucks instead of 15 to be honest.

 

[ShakeResounding]

As for the prompt, $30 feels more survivable at a glance. Though I do have one question now upon seeing a certain option: where does the scenario take place? Somewhere specific, a place of our choosing, or just assume SBA?

Assume SBA. So Central Park in New York City.

Emerl is useless. He's tier 4 and finite speed in myriad of tier 2 infinite speed characters.

Pretend he's on-par with the Modern cast for the sake of it here, for fun. Let's say he overloads if he reaches 10x stronger than what he started.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Next I'm taking whisper because if I don't she may snipe me from several kilometers away while my team is occupied. -5$

Smart, very smart.

Also I'm loving your guys' answers. I was debating putting Neo or not, as well as Shadow, but in the end I wanted to see if anybody could make a case for it some outlandish picks.

 

[JJSliderman]

The fact you put Eggman in top tier despite being basically a beatstick with these conditions is wild.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

I know a good deal when I see one. I'll take 30 Chaos Gammas.

 

[Snek]

The fact you put Eggman in top tier despite being basically a beatstick with these conditions is wild.

But he has 4000 attack points he must be good

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Pretend he's on-par with the Modern cast for the sake of it here, for fun. Let's say he overloads if he reaches 10x stronger than what he started.

You could have just picked modern Gemerl and specified that he has all of Emerl's abillities, but this works too as long as you specify how high this hypothetical Emerl scales in the scaling chain.

 

[Alexander]

I come back to this thread