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Yeah, I was just joking. Maybe I should've added some tone indicator. Honestly as long as the reason Bowser wins is good I won't mind it.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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While yeah, Goku did come back just to lose. That episode was to show how far Death Battle had come from their beginnings, thought this isnt the Death Battle thread so Ill leave it there
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Death Battle’s biased logic and reasoning in a nutshell.You see the Chad Mario has reacted to spaceships traveling several trillion c while the virgin sonic has yet to prove he's faster than light in canon.
Therefore easy slam dunk for bowser
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I still think Wally West Vs Archie Sonic is one of these Death Battles that is one of the absolutely worst researched and biased episodes ever to be constructed. I still think Archie Sonic completely slams Wally West beyond belief (couldn’t find anywhere that supported the Bleed being Outerversial let alone Wally West/The Speed Force being Outerversial).
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You’re absolutely right about that. Although they have gone on record to state “oh if we chose Mario to lose, people would say that we’re biased against Nintendo characters” back during the Death Battle Cast after Mario Vs Sonic 2018 came out. In other words, I think they’re lying.Bowser will win simply because he's the most popular choice and they said they follow the popular consensus
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Oh boy. More Death Battle downplaying the Sonic verse. No surprises here.
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To be fair with how large dc as a franchise is finding every statement for their cosmology seems like a tall order.
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Adding onto how different writers interpreted the cosmology makes it even harder at that.
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Worse research than Bomberman vs Digdug? More biased than Yang vs Tifa? What a well researched and unbiased take on your own end
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I have no idea on how powerful those characters are and if they were brought justice research wise. I should have prefaced this earlier, but I’m referring to the more so modern death battle episodes (usually when their budgeting and animation increased greatly). I understand the earlier episodes were not well researched at all and was greatly plagued with bias so I usually just ignore those episodes that were present during the beginning of Death Battle. Either way, I will agree that those episodes you stated in particular are very biased and poorly researched, I never stated that Wally West Vs Archie Sonic is the worst regarding bias and research in the entirety of Death Battle episodes in that post of mine you’re responding to. I just think it should belong in those examples of bias and poorly researched episodes. Will edit the post to make it “one of the most” for clarity purposes.
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I wouldn't say Yang VS Tifa was biased, either. This was still in a time of some feeling unsure of how to handle RPG characters with customizable loadouts. Nowadays, it's usually "give them everything", but there was a concern more so, in some, back then of what may and may not be canon to the character. Stats and scaling were also more reserved in a way, as well.
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The episode is wrong even by its own logic and accepted scaling, especially when you account for how absurdly inflated the numbers are on Yang's concrete pillar feat.
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I agree with the majority of your post, however, even back then you can spot a massive amount of bias and faulty reasoning/research from Death Battle. Look at the original Goku Vs Superman and Gara Vs Toph regarding calculations and almost anything regarding bias involving DC characters back then.
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I don't think there's any concrete evidence of pro-DC bias on Death Battle's part. They have the highest win rate of any series with such a high amount of characters used, but Yang vs Tifa was literally a RWBY advertisement made after the creator's death. It was meant as a tribute for thier friend. Obviously they didn't want to kill his character right after his death.
Not going any further on this DB tangeant.
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I gotta disagree regarding the DC bias thing as I’ve just seen way too much poor reasoning on Death Battle’s part regarding how they handle DC characters in their research and their justifications on why they believe they win their fights (when in reality they shouldn’t). Of course DC isn’t the only verse that is present with bias from them (like RWBY in that particular case).
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Let's get back at talking about Sonic again. What stages do you guys want in Shaffer Generations?
Personally, Sky Troops would be pretty cool. There's even mods about it:
Personally, Sky Troops would be pretty cool. There's even mods about it:
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Probably something with wonder flower, dream stone, his potential layered transmutation, comparable speed, and infinite revives if they take that legit, as well as giving Bowser dream depot scaling due to Culex/his plot in MP5/Pure Hearts to go even with Eggman.
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With Kingdom Valley already on the menu, I would love a return to Lava Shelter.
We already have Westopolis, but I think another Shadow 05 stage towards the end of the game would be cool. Lava Shelter, Final Haunt, one of those final stages would be nice.
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You know what, f**k them kids, bring back The Doom and make you have to kill 60 GUN troops again, new age gamers need to experience the suffering I did 100%ing this game.
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i see traumas
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They will NEVER understand
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Sega really took Black Doom from rags to riches look at this man
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If they make an updated Devil Doom that would go crazy.
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Those are useless without Mario, Luigi and Peach tbf
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I think they will include it regardless and treat it as if Bowser can use them himself.
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That's factually wrong, tho. They legit DON’T work without the four heroes together. That's shown in game
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I imagine they’d argue he can make bubble clones or dream clones to bypass it
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One thing I want to have back is a Mephiles Boss fight. I know it’s not happening, but my favorite part of 06 was the Mephiles Boss Fights. Bad game as it was, they felt clever and were a great test based in built on mechanics. At least to the incredibly young version of me.
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I don't think clones would even work. It needs to be the actual four heroes themselves. But if they allow this, I hope they also allow the Egg Salamander and Wizard despite it being made by Nega with Eggman.
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My issue with disavowing anything that might not be standard for Eggman is with the Phantom Ruby he can literally make whatever he may have lost. For example, Eggman Nega’s camera certainly isn’t something Eggman has used, and although he can theoretically build it, that’s speculation and it’s fair to disbar it. Except with the Phantom Ruby, he can just think it into existence as his own weapon and use it for himself.
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I guess the problem is just so many of Eggman’s wincons rely on one off items Bowser can snatch with plunder chest, or other abilities.
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He has multiple Phantom Rubies, so that's not a one-off. The Chaos Emeralds, Sol Emeralds, and Master Emerald can't be used by Bowser and his troops, and Eggman has built traps that can steal items from hammerspaces before, so he could either steal Bowser's stuff or retrieve his own stolen stuff.
With Eggman having more, superior, options for controlling time, he can just undo Bowser's theft anyway
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Well the restraint traps require setup or being in a specific location, and all his phantom Ruby doubles have no feats in the context of Sonic Channel.
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fellas there is a death battle thread, now this is just my humble opinion but I think that'd be a better place to discuss the upcoming eggman vs bowser DB then here
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I was reffering to the Ruby and its prototypes. The traps can seemingly be triggered anywhere within that room, and it's actually incredibly easy for Eggman to decide where the fight should take place.
Still Sonic related but sure
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Yeah, true, I’m just saying I think they could make a decent case for Bowser winning and leave it there.
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Sure, but Eggman should be faster, can steal back with his traps, and has outright drained rings from Sonic (which should qualify as Hammerspace fuckery in my opinion), so he can definitely do the same back to Bowser, whose best wincons also often rely on McGuffins.
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In the Sonic Channel story Eggman straight up infused his own reality over the real one. Plus several characters like Infinite were doubles in that story. No reason to assume they are just cardboard cutout fodders.
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When I said PR doubles I meant copies of the PR, only one version of the PR in that story did the crazy shit.
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I think it’s crazy that the Phantom Ruby canonically responds solely to Heart and yet Eggman’s evil chuckles can set it off, and the fact he has “enough Heart” to use the Phantom Ruby to turn into Lightman (with minor tech help). This tells the me only reason Eggman doesn’t try to use the Emeralds himself is because he’d turn into an idiotic, writhing monster.
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