Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Ghengiroo115]

On the topic of Eggman, it kinda bothers me that his profile has the Egg Salamander and the Egg Wizard but not the Time Eater (correction, it’s listed in his P&A section and the list of mechs but not in any of his stats). Like the former two were piloted alongside Eggman’s Sol Dimension counterpart/descendant (depending on the game), whereas the latter was piloted alongside literally just Eggman’s past self. I feel it’s arguable on whether all three of them should be listed on his profile at all considering he doesn’t pilot any of them by himself, but if we are gonna list them then Time Eater should definitely be on there.

 

[JJSliderman]

Didn't Eggman one-shot Starline who has Low 2-C durability?

Considered an outlier

And wasn't one of his guns a threat to Tangle?

Hence he scales to base stuff with guns, his guns could also threaten Amy and the rest of the base cast in Riders.

But Eggman also survives explosions that completely destroy his super form tier machines, he’s a pretty inconsistent character.

 

[FaceOff81]

So... Did you all see this posted in the 1-A hub?

BDE Archie Sonic

vsbattles.fandom.com

To those who have a stance, how do you feel about this? Me personally, I'm beginning to HATE dimensional tiering kek.

To preface, all the arguments and reasoning are from @Brogeefrong himself. All I did was help him with grammar and structure.

@Brogeefrong Would this apply to Archie Super Sonic and Ultra Sonic as well (mainly because Archie Super Sonic literally erased the Chaos Force and Chaos Force Deities from Existence thanks to supporting statements from Ian Flynn and what happened in Archie Sonic Issue 251).

 

[Brogeefrong]

@Brogeefrong Would this apply to Archie Super Sonic and Ultra Sonic as well (mainly because Archie Super Sonic literally erased the Chaos Force and Chaos Force Deities from Existence thanks to supporting statements from Ian Flynn and what happened in Archie Sonic Issue 251).

If you're talking about him getting Type 2 BDE no, if you're talking about him scaling to Low 1-A/1-A, yes along with any other character who is currently 1-C

 

[FaceOff81]

If you're talking about him getting Type 2 BDE no, if you're talking about him scaling to Low 1-A/1-A, yes along with any other character who is currently 1-C

Alright. Although, I don't really see a difference here if we're talking about Super Sonic specifically. I understand that he scales to 1-A, but if he can just erase those with Type 2 BDE spiritually and conceptually, wouldn't that place him higher inherentely than them or at least, equal to them where he would get that?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Alright. Although, I don't really see a difference here if we're talking about Super Sonic specifically. I understand that he scales to 1-A, but if he can just erase those with Type 2 BDE spiritually and conceptually, wouldn't that place him higher inherentely than them or at least, equal to them where he would get that?

No, it doesnt work like that, he's just able interact with them via Chaos Energy empowering him

 

[Peptocoptr27]

But Eggman also survives explosions that completely destroy his super form tier machines, he’s a pretty inconsistent character.

The only blatant example of that which I can think of is the Klepto Mobile, which I already have several issues with when it comes to scaling (I'll bring them up soon enough). Unlike it, the Super Egg Robot and Final Weapon could have had inner protection to shield Eggman from thier destruction.

 

[FaceOff81]

No, it doesnt work like that, he's just able interact with them via Chaos Energy empowering him

Oh I get it. That makes sense. Even though this is unrelated, Archie Sonic still solos his own verse though.

 

[JJSliderman]

The only blatant example of that which I can think of is the Klepto Mobile, which I already have several issues with when it comes to scaling (I'll bring them up soon enough). Unlike it, the Super Egg Robot and Final Weapon could have had inner protection to shield Eggman from thier destruction.

I was thinking about Egg Salamander and Time Eater but, yeah.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Does anyone know if the Sonic X Archie Comics are cannon to the Sonic X Anime?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Does anyone know if the Sonic X Archie Comics are cannon to the Sonic X Anime?

According to the CRT that boosted them to 5-B, they are. No source cited though

 

[Spilxson2]

Was there a statement by one of the writers saying only male hedgehogs can go super or something?

 

[Omegabronic]

Was there a statement by one of the writers saying only male hedgehogs can go super or something?

nope

 

[Spilxson2]

nope

Weird. I literally just had a guy telling me SEGA did some mandate saying only they can go super

 

[CloverDragon03]

Weird. I literally just had a guy telling me SEGA did some mandate saying only they can go super

Amy can literally go Super in the Classic games

 

[Executor_N0]

Was there a statement by one of the writers saying only male hedgehogs can go super or something?

It's something Ian Flynn often states during the Q&A. IIRC it originated from SEGA Forums or something like that, and then when people asked Ian (Even recently) he does confirm that. I think other English writers also state the same.

He does, however, disagree with that and notes that there are many times in which that seems to not be followed, like Sonic Heroes that both the script and in-game files confirm that Tails and Knuckles turned into their Super Forms.

He also states that the explanation is often that the times when they transform (Other than Sonic Heroes) is only in gameplay, and that isn't necessarily connected with lore. For other moments, the excuse is that since it's only something stated outside the main game, it's often considered not "really super forms" in regards to lore.

Those things happened across various tweets and bumblekasts, so not a singular place to find all, but looking at the Master Q&A should help.

 

[Theuser789]

Was there a statement by one of the writers saying only male hedgehogs can go super or something?

Ian said that Iizuka said that, but other members of Sonic Team don't even know about it.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Even if it was said, it probably is being ignored now considering that in Sonic Superstars Trip got her own Super form along with the other Superstars and in Sonic Mania, Ray and Mighty got them to

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Weird. I literally just had a guy telling me SEGA did some mandate saying only they can go super

There used to be, afaik

 

[MysticMania]

It reminds me of the moon turning to its good side, and everyone getting amnesia.

 

[Omegabronic]

There used to be, afaik

Nah, nothing on that is ever said



No link of the Iizuka's statement is ever given, i say it is just a rumout people give way too much credit

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Nah, nothing on that is ever said



No link of the Iizuka's statement is ever given, i say it is just a rumout people give way too much credit

Typical. I should've known.

 

[Executor_N0]

Nah, nothing on that is ever said



No link of the Iizuka's statement is ever given, i say it is just a rumout people give way too much credit

Old interviews happened during events that were either never live-streamed or the stream was lost, so all that is left are reports of the events, and some of them are erased, which makes some things only being a memory of a memory. However, as I said, Ian stated it many times and other English-speaking writers said the same on Twitter (Although trying to find those currently is nearly impossible due to Twitter's terrible search engine).

I did a quick look at the Master Q&A List and found some of them.







In fact, Ian said that Knuckles mentioning Super Knuckles in Frontiers was he being "being cleverly vague", something he would often do, but was just something he tried to push, and "If in the future we get Super Knuckles again, then he was making a reference to Classic, if not, he was just thinking of an imaginary scenario). According to Ian there were a few of these things he tried to do on IDW as well, trying to "get around the rules" and sometimes he got away with that, but later SEGA would come with notes saying "Don't try that again". Of course, he continued to try from time to time as he also disliked some of the rules.



Found tweets stating the same, I will try to look if I find another one, but yes, this is by no means a case of "fans made it up"

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[Snek]

If low 1A archie does happen I can't wait to see the archie sonic vs marvel threads. Also the concept of sonic soloing DC feels wierd and probably will stay that way for me lol.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

If low 1A archie does happen I can't wait to see the archie sonic vs marvel threads. Also the concept of sonic soloing DC feels wierd and probably will stay that way for me lol.

DC is downplayed as **** in here. I think everybody knows that, but here is not the place to discuss it.

 

[Snek]

Ya your right. It's still kinda funny though

 

[Brogeefrong]

If low 1A archie does happen I can't wait to see the archie sonic vs marvel threads. Also the concept of sonic soloing DC feels wierd and probably will stay that way for me lol.

Archie Sonic vs IG Thanos rematch
if 1-A gets accepted, i have plans on getting Archie to High 1-A lmaooooooo

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Archie Sonic vs IG Thanos rematch
if 1-A gets accepted, i have plans on getting Archie to High 1-A lmaooooooo

It's not even funny anymore

 

[ShakeResounding]

If low 1A archie does happen I can't wait to see the archie sonic vs marvel threads.

Practically the ONLY redeeming quality of this BDE stuff. I WILL remake my Super Tails vs Galactus match, and it WILL be absolute

It's not even funny anymore

It's moments such as these where I can see why some of the ******** on Reddit complain about us wanking Sonic. Because if that shit does go through, we'll have no leg to stand on anymore

 

[CloverDragon03]

It's not even funny anymore

At some point it legitimately does become just trying to make Sonic as strong as possible with reckless abandon. Upgrades are inherently good because of the fact that they're upgrades, I guess

 

[Fireld]

Because if that shit does go through, we'll have no leg to stand on anymore

 

[Alexander]

oh, but i can finally have my Fire Force 1-A

 

[Eseseso]

Practically the ONLY redeeming quality of this BDE stuff. I WILL remake my Super Tails vs Galactus match, and it WILL be absolute

YOOOOO!

 

[MysticMania]

This is random, but Death Battle has announced Bowser VS Dr.Eggman.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

This is random, but Death Battle has announced Bowser VS Dr.Eggman.

Holy shit! **** yeah

Even setting aside scaling and stats, I still think Eggman should win this. Thanks to Sage and Neo Metal Sonic, he should have a far more organized strategy, and more means with which to use Bowser's own troops and powers against him. The Phantom Ruby and Hyper-Go-On are also really OP in the context of an army battle.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bowser wins, but Idk how they could juetify it without leaving out some crucial stuff for Eggman. I'd love to see Light Man Eggman fully animated!

 

[Alexander]

Holy shit! **** yeah

Even setting aside scaling and stats, I still think Eggman should win this. Thanks to Sage and Neo Metal Sonic, he should have a far more organized strategy, and more means with which to use Bowser's own troops and powers against him. The Phantom Ruby and Hyper-Go-On are also really OP in the context of an army battle.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bowser wins, but Idk how they could juetify it without leaving out some crucial stuff for Eggman. I'd love to see Light Man Eggman fully animated!

if Bowser wins, i am going to be annoying on the comment section.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

if Bowser wins, i am going to be annoying on the comment section.

Fair

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Holy shit! **** yeah

Even setting aside scaling and stats, I still think Eggman should win this. Thanks to Sage and Neo Metal Sonic, he should have a far more organized strategy, and more means with which to use Bowser's own troops and powers against him. The Phantom Ruby and Hyper-Go-On are also really OP in the context of an army battle.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bowser wins, but Idk how they could juetify it without leaving out some crucial stuff for Eggman. I'd love to see Light Man Eggman fully animated!

The small bits of choreography so far look amazing though.

 

[Snek]

Well I'm not gonna lie both those animations look absolutely amazing especially the shot of the egg fleet. And the best part is that I can't wait for them to put eggman at town level off the stalagmite feat from the ova again.

 

[JJSliderman]

I feel like Bowser probably wins, he has his infinite revives and his troops like Kamek can be pretty haxxed, plus he has his own infinite speed args.