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Does anyone know where I can find the Sonic Gens strategy book?
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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He did?
MysticMania
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Honestly, no basis for this, but I assumed Bowser's mindset was "dang this is gotta do Something, **** it" and it just sort of, happened
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That's what I thought too lol
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I guess we’ll never know.
Personally just burnt out on the mu in general; Bowser will win the episode, whatever.
Personally just burnt out on the mu in general; Bowser will win the episode, whatever.
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That's true. I have absolutely no faith in Death Battle. Surprised at how rich their fans are, though. Average donation is 100 and nine people donated over 5000 grand.
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Oh I love the show a lot, I grew up with it.
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I am the opposite but everyone has their tastes.
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Let's just say certain people across social media and IRL are permanently stuck in the late 2000s to mid 2010s anti-Sonic mindset where their hate, bullying and aggression towards Sonic fans is hypocritically seen as heroic (because being toxic towards a "toxic fandom" is totally constructive and healthy) and get off seeing Sonic fail furthermore it's not isolated to the power-scaling community though there is some overlap due to appeal to reality as well as the classic "furry" ad hominems/poisoning the well. E.g; a 3ft hedgehog being an uni buster is ridiculous! BUT that said hedgehog being blue, wearing sneakers, having super speed and being fully sapient yet is unable to swim is "believable".
A shame when certain peeps would sooner commit a crime and/or become a sociopath then "allow" others to enjoy a fictional character in peace, speaks volumes tbh.
Didn't mean to get this deep lol!
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This blog is really well made! It's tought me a lot about Bowser and even some stuff about Eggman that I didn't know. I have several issues with it, my biggest one being that they dismiss all game guides including the Sonic Encyclospeedia but for some reason still include the Mario and Sonic movies as well as stuff like Sonic X and the Mario manga. Thier dismissal of those sources conviniently allows them to deny infinite speed scaling for Eggman, and they strawman the arguments for immeasurable speed like pretty much everyone else in the community.
Still, this blog has convinced me that Eggman might actually need his stat advantage to reliably win this fight after all. Bowser can really give him a run for his money in terms of hax. Thankfully, Eggman holds the stat advantage to as long as you give both similar leeway, and the massive Sonic scaling chain ensures that said stat advantage is similarly massive. (They didn't bring up the scaling chain though). He's also way smarter and his best troops have better combat skill.
I have VERY little faith, but it's not absent completely. I fear that Trunks vs Silver and Shadow vs Ryuko are giving me false hope, but these episodes do imply that they're starting to pay the Sonic series some respect. Implied Low 1-C scaling for Super Silver and planetary scaling for Shadow without his Super form, along with a text box that brings up Solaris (although they still say his power comes from hax, this is clearly just to cover thier ass after Mario vs Sonic 2018. There's a chance they'll go back on that and subtly admit they were wrong, as they have before.
Another thing that gives me SOME hope is that they were shockingly based with Bill Cipher's scaling. I truly did not expect him to beat Discord considering how the VS community generally felt about this matchup and how it downplayed Bill. Bowser vs Eggman is kind of a similar situation.
Also, they went from scaling Sephiroth to wall level in season 4 to scaling Cloud to solar system level in season 8, so massive Sonic upgrades are not off the table.
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Death Battle has always respected Archie (reminder they popularized the take of Archie being OP while the games are mid/fodder) and Shadow vs Ryuko is just a pity win. Those matchups are enough to trust an indie youtube show that already said they mostly follow popular powerscaling takes.
LukeChaosBlobz
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I really really hope they both get scaled well because jeez man Mario vs Sonic is one of my least favourite episodes. That was all over the place
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Research aside, that animation seemed more like something along the lines of that edgy "Racist Mario" animation from a while back than a legitimate Death Battle meant to represent the characters faithfully. I do not understand why Mario fans like this episode, let alone Sonic fans.
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Mostly popular power-scalling takes? Ben 10 vs Green Lantern and Bill Cipher vs Discord would disagree. They also made Shadow lose to Vegeta and Knuckles lose to Donkey Kong despite the fact that Archie was accounted for in thier research, so no, they didn't always respect Archie.
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I do not feel Death Battle holds ill will.
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They can be really bad at taking criticism, but that's thier biggest flaw imo, and considering how toxic the VS community can be, I can understand why they would be defensive. Then again, Mewtwo vs Shadow actually is evidence that they have ill will towards the Sonic series. That episode was spiteful towards Shadow in a way very few other episodes are...
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Knuckles vs DK didn't have Archie, and the "popular power-scaling" takes isn't from me, but from Ultra in this blog: https://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2024/04/death-battle-retrospective-ep-100.html?m=1
Most of the blog goes over what the "popular" takes at the time to justify Mario vs Sonic 2 research, which is why I made that comment. It's from their own mouth.
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Wow, that is ******* cringe of them. I hope Billcord is evidence that they've outgrown that mindset
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That blog was made in 2024 so I doubt it.
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I do agree. I don't like basing what you buy on what is 'generally' seen as reasonable. You should buy what you do, not what you feel is right with others.
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They seem to be recounting how they handled stuff in the past. So, when the blog is made wouldn't impact it.
They also decided on Zatanna and Raven winning against Scarlet Witch and Phoenix, when that is not at all what people 'generally' buy.
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Trying to argue Sonic is 5-D with the games outside of here gets you called a wanker or laughed at.
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The blog you linked argues in favor of it
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Cuz it uses stuff from here.
Also Mewtwo vs Shadow was almost a decade ago, they prolly don’t feel that way rn
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Don't like 5-D that much but all high tier Sonic scaling was like that until people started accepting it.
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i still hate that take to this day, Archie has advantages on some sides (the higher dimensional things)but other than that?i said both sides are currently equal
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So does Death Battle, even though it's more subtle.
Agreed, but still. This episodes' existence means that Sonic has a better case against Death Battle than other series when it comes to accusations of spiteful bias.
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This. Anything above planetary was mocked years back, then it was universal being laughed at, then multiversal, now higher-dimensional.
Granted, I don't blame those who hate dimensional tiering. Even I do to an extent.
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I am not bothered by dimensional stuff, myself. I guess, for me, I see it as no different than other tiers of power.
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Anything above high 1-B I dislike
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For me, it's anything between 1-B and High 1-B. What kind of matchup are you supposed to have with a character who's 48D?
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My powerscaling pet peev is planet size scaling. I believe it should always come with possibly or likely ratings unless an exact size is stated in an official source.
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Why? Do you want every planet to arbitrarily be scaled to Earth even when there is evidence that indicates otherwise? Most planets are not the size of our Earth
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Or Sonic?
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Sort of. The evidence for planet size in sonics case is decent but in general I think planet size calcs create inflated ratings. I also think that they are far more arbitrary than regular calculations because you can get dozens of different planet calcs depending on the variables that result in ap ratings varying by millions of times.
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