Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[JJSliderman]

I feel like Bowser probably wins, he has his infinite revives and his troops like Kamek can be pretty haxxed, plus he has his own infinite speed args.

 

[Theuser789]

I think it all depends on what they give Eggman in this match. His biggest wincons are:

The Metal Virus (Can turn Bowser's army and troops against him in an exponential way, and he is virtually immune to it outside of himself, ironically enough)

Sage (Can control and unify all of Eggman's mechs and the Zombots, making Eggman's army far more organized than Bowser)

The Phantom Ruby (Gives Eggman infinite resources, and is super-haxed. Can also give him super form stats which would eliminate Eggman's weakness of being weak without mechs).

But in the end, I really don't trust Death Battle at all. It will probably be disappointing.

 

[Theuser789]

I feel like Bowser probably wins, he has his infinite revives and his troops like Kamek can be pretty haxxed, plus he has his own infinite speed args.

Eggman can bypass revives by just trapping him in a perfect illusion with the Egg Field. It would incap but not kill (and Bowser wouldn't even be aware he lost).

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Eggman can bypass revives by just trapping him in a perfect illusion with the Egg Field. It would incap but not kill (and Bowser wouldn't even be aware he lost).

BFR to Null Space or White Space should also work, since they're closed off from all dimensions and therefore beyond any range ever displayed by Bowser's dimensional travel

 

[Snek]

Well I don't know about what stats they will give bowser but I'm willing to bet eggmans stats will look like this
9B physically punched down an ice wall. 9B with badnicks. 6C with mechs can fight knuckles who made an explosion on the moon visable from earth in sonic x. Varies with superweapons from 5B split the planet apart to 4A with the final eggblaster. 5A with final boss mechs fought super sonic up to Low 2C with hax.

As for speed it will probably look like this. Relativistic can keep up with base sonic who has yet to prove he's faster than light in canon up to SOL

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Well I don't know about what stats they will give bowser but I'm willing to bet eggmans stats will look like this
9B physically punched down an ice wall. 9B with badnicks. 6C with mechs can fight knuckles who made an explosion on the moon visable from earth in sonic x. Varies with superweapons from 5B split the planet apart to 4A with the final eggblaster. 5A with final boss mechs fought super sonic up to Low 2C with hax.

As for speed it will probably look like this. Relativistic can keep up with base sonic who has yet to prove he's faster than light in canon up to SOL

Considering Shadow vs Ryuko, they'll maybe give Eggman's modern mechs an AP buff to 5-A

 

[Snek]

Considering Shadow vs Ryuko, they'll maybe give Eggman's modern mechs an AP buff to 5-A

I doubt that

 

[JJSliderman]

Eggman can bypass revives by just trapping him in a perfect illusion with the Egg Field. It would incap but not kill (and Bowser wouldn't even be aware he lost).

I’ve seen some blogs arguing a Bowser dub even if he loses in stats, like this one: https://meleemythos.wordpress.com/2024/06/22/bowser-vs-dr-eggman-nintendo-vs-sega/

 

[Theuser789]

I’ve seen some blogs arguing a Bowser dub even if he loses in stats, like this one: https://meleemythos.wordpress.com/2024/06/22/bowser-vs-dr-eggman-nintendo-vs-sega/

I don't really care about random blogs and I don't see why I should.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Having Sage around probably changes things around a loooot, since as others have been saying, this is beyond having machines pilot other machines. Those statements of "millions of calculations in seconds" just seems very overwhelming now.

And if Death Battle takes Sonic canonicity seriously, things such as Otherworld Story should be canon. If so, I'm not sure Bowser has any answer to the Egg Field or Altered Phantom Ruby.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Would they use Time Eater? Or is that guy a little bit overexaggerated for the situation at hand?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Would they use Time Eater? Or is that guy a little bit overexaggerated for the situation at hand?

If they use Dreamy Bowser and the Pure Hearts, it's absolutely fair to use Time Eater

 

[JJSliderman]

Or they might just stick Eggman and Bowser with their base shit.

 

[Alexander]

Having Sage around probably changes things around a loooot, since as others have been saying, this is beyond having machines pilot other machines. Those statements of "millions of calculations in seconds" just seems very overwhelming now.

And if Death Battle takes Sonic canonicity seriously, things such as Otherworld Story should be canon. If so, I'm not sure Bowser has any answer to the Egg Field or Altered Phantom Ruby.

come on, they literraly included OVA, X AND BOOM in a GAME VERSION fighting for Sonic vs Mario.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I’ve seen some blogs arguing a Bowser dub even if he loses in stats, like this one: https://meleemythos.wordpress.com/2024/06/22/bowser-vs-dr-eggman-nintendo-vs-sega/

Bowser´s fighting style is almost 100% based on physical attacks, so he being physically weaker is a problem for him

 

[Alexander]

the Metal Virus is more like a indepdent army, because of Eggman loosing control.

 

[JJSliderman]

Also Kamek can just warp the virus away.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

I saw a movie Badnik in the short animation maybe they might use other continuity stuff

 

[Theuser789]

Also Kamek can just warp the virus away.

That depends if he notices it fast enough/doesn't get infected himself.

I saw a movie Badnik in the short animation maybe they might use other continuity stuff

They always use a weird composite for these battles.

 

[JJSliderman]

That depends if he notices it fast enough/doesn't get infected himself.

Both have infinite speed args so, probably.

 

[Theuser789]

Both having infinite speed doesn't mean anything if he doesn't recognize the threat of the virus immediately (Since it can spread from even a fodder mook).

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Oh,wow! That looks like the best animated DB so far.

I don't know who will win,knowing the research team.

If Ultraguy is writing,it could go either way. If it's Liam,Bowser is stomping 100%

 

[JJSliderman]

Tbh if they just put Sonic at Multiversal I’d be satisfied.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Tbh if they just put Sonic at Multiversal I’d be satisfied.

From what I hear, even Uni+ Super Sonic is contentious in the DB community which I find hilarious

 

[JJSliderman]

It is yeah.

It shouldn’t be though…

 

[Theuser789]

From what I hear, even Uni+ Super Sonic is contentious in the DB community which I find hilarious

Expected since most Death Battle fans are Nintendofans and most Sonicfans left Death Battle.

 

[CloverDragon03]

It is yeah.

It shouldn’t be though…

Expected since most Death Battle fans are Nintendofans and most Sonicfans left Death Battle.

Yeah...

I feel like 2-B to 2-A should be incredibly straightforward, while 5-D (while not necessarily as straightforward) should be super reasonable and agreeable. Imo it's when you start going to 6-D and up that things potentially become more contentious

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Tbh if they just put Sonic at Multiversal I’d be satisfied.

Hopefully they wised about SegaSonic scaling, last time Ben talked about it he was still really doubtful about where most of the Battleboarding scene has them.

 

[MysticMania]

I am interested in seeing how Metal Sonic and Sage are integrated. Since Sage can BFR and Seal with the Cyber Cages, I'm curious if they'll feel Bowser has a way to escape this tactic.

 

[JJSliderman]

They’ll probably say all of Eggman’s sealing gets negged with power stars and time rewind

 

[Theuser789]

Wonder what they will say for Eggman's mindhax.

 

[JJSliderman]

Bowser resisting cuz Lucien and maybe Elder Shroob

 

[ShakeResounding]

Death Battle doesn't do layers but I'm pretty sure it affecting Sonic and everyone could be noted since Sonic no-sold previous mental shit before

 

[Theuser789]

They’ll probably say all of Eggman’s sealing gets negged with power stars and time rewind

Eggman has spacehax in IDW that can turn someone invisible and intangible to the world, and I don't think Power Stars can negate that. Eggman also has his own rewind in Superstars, but that makes me wonder if they will include the Time Eater (Probably not).

 

[JJSliderman]

They’d probably just say “yeah Eggman has these specific counters, but they’re all tied to one off machines that can be destroyed”, or stuff like Bowser fusing with Eggman’s army via wonder flower (or just any of the wonder flower hax)

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Death Battle doesn't do layers but I'm pretty sure it affecting Sonic and everyone could be noted since Sonic no-sold previous mental shit before

And transmutation

 

[MysticMania]

Can Bowser manually use the Wonder Flower, like, choosing what effect it is? I feel I remember its effects being 'random' when the player characters use it, but, I don't know any further details on it.

 

[Theuser789]

They’d probably just say “yeah Eggman has these specific counters, but they’re all tied to one off machines that can be destroyed”, or stuff like Bowser fusing with Eggman’s army via wonder flower (or just any of the wonder flower hax)

I think the Ruby counters the Wonder Flower pretty well.

 

[JJSliderman]

Can Bowser manually use the Wonder Flower, like, choosing what effect it is? I feel I remember its effects being 'random' when the player characters use it, but, I don't know any further details on it.

Bowser chose to fuse with Flower Castle at the beginning.