Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[JJSliderman]

Me, I develop software for a living.

 

[Executor_N0]

What's this from?

 

[Alexander]

ok?

 

[Executor_N0]

ok?

Theuser789 asked where that image was from and I answered it, nothing deeper than that.

 

[JJSliderman]

Imagine if this was actually a reference to there originally being thousands of CE in Archie.

 

[Remus1998]

all of Solaris' speed links are dead

 

[Theuser789]

I found it on r/deathbattle

It just seems like some math book for kids. Not really relevant for powerscaling.

 

[Omegabronic]

Another Guy from the Future tries to kill Sonic (Future warrior vs Sonic)

Both at 4-A Future Warrior is a Freeza Race Speed equal They start 10 meters apart They fight on Dark Star Super form is restricted, duh Sonic have all his optimal equipament for the adventure Era, minus the rings Future Warrior have Senzu Essence Capsule Super Soul is " i going to bath in your...

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[Accelerated_Evolution]

It just seems like some math book for kids. Not really relevant for powerscaling.

I know, i just find funny that Tails has enough chaos esmeralds to become a new godly type of super form

 

[Alexander]

I know, i just find funny that Tails has enough chaos esmeralds to become a new godly type of super form

titan hyper super tails

 

[Eseseso]

If Eggman said Wormnic I would've lost it

Hey Shake, since The End was in Cyber Space for God knows how long without being corrupted, and his energy let Supreme endure a lot of hits from Cyber Super Sonic, shouldn't he get resistance to the following:

• Greater Information Manipulation (Type 2, Fundamental) & Cyber Corruption (Type 1 - Physical Corruption. The basis of Cyber Corruption is the infectious quality it has on those afflicted with it, stemming from the realm of Cyber Space)
  • Interdimensional BFR, Memory Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, & Power Nullification (After gaining control over his Cyber Corruption, he can wield its power with his Super State to the point of being able to utilize this power, in which such effects have been showcased)

I mean he already resists Info Manip Type 2 and Power Null but you know what I mean.

 

[ShakeResounding]

That makes sense. I felt like it was too big of an assumption at the time, but the context of all this being done by the Ancients in SPITE of The End means it's more likely.

 

[Eseseso]

That makes sense. I felt like it was too big of an assumption at the time, but the context of all this being done by the Ancients in SPITE of The End means it's more likely.

Neat. Not sure if that can just be added or if we need a CRT but neat.

Also, while I tried finding a way to give The End NEP Type 1, its statements of being "a void" and "nothing" really don't indicate any aspects it could have (soul, mind, concept, etc.), so sadly no NEP for The End. I mean maybe Aspect 5 but that's useless.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Neat. Not sure if that can just be added or if we need a CRT but neat.

Also, while I tried finding a way to give The End NEP Type 1, its statements of being "a void" and "nothing" really don't indicate any aspects it could have (soul, mind, concept, etc.), so sadly no NEP for The End. I mean maybe Aspect 5 but that's useless.

nep is still nep

 

[Eseseso]

nep is still nep

But without knowing what aspect it has, it's basically useless.

 

[Omegabronic]

Hey Shake, since The End was in Cyber Space for God knows how long without being corrupted, and his energy let Supreme endure a lot of hits from Cyber Super Sonic, shouldn't he get resistance to the following:

• Greater Information Manipulation (Type 2, Fundamental) & Cyber Corruption (Type 1 - Physical Corruption. The basis of Cyber Corruption is the infectious quality it has on those afflicted with it, stemming from the realm of Cyber Space)
  • Interdimensional BFR, Memory Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, & Power Nullification (After gaining control over his Cyber Corruption, he can wield its power with his Super State to the point of being able to utilize this power, in which such effects have been showcased)

I mean he already resists Info Manip Type 2 and Power Null but you know what I mean.

if even merely interacting with Cyber Space starts to corrupt you, i only imagine that being litterally inside of would also corrupt

 

[Brogeefrong]

How many layers of Info type 2 does Cyber Super Sonic have

 

[Omegabronic]

How many layers of Info type 2 does Cyber Super Sonic have

3, normal Cyber Corruption bypasses his own resistance to info type 2, later he trains to resist it and then he Corrupts Himself to achieve his Cyber Form

 

[Eseseso]

if even merely interacting with Cyber Space starts to corrupt you, i only imagine that being litterally inside of would also corrupt

That makes sense. I felt like it was too big of an assumption at the time, but the context of all this being done by the Ancients in SPITE of The End means it's more likely.

Do you two think this can just be added to the profile or do we need a CRT?

3, normal Cyber Corruption bypasses his own resistance to info type 2, later he trains to resist it and then he Corrupts Himself to achieve his Cyber Form

How good is his passive Info Type 2?

 

[Omegabronic]

Do you two think this can just be added to the profile or do we need a CRT?


How good is his passive Info Type 2?

Same as his Corruption, in this case on an informational level, that is where the Info 2 comes from, since it is cyber space related

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Super Eggman match

 

[Alexander]

hey,in sonic superstars,didn't team sonic resisted the effects by a time glass that makes time go backwards?

 

[Eseseso]

Attempting to upgrade the game Sonic cosmology

Now that the recent Otherworld Comedy and Sonic Dream Team have come out, I can finally make an attempt at upgrading the size of Game Sonic's cosmology (to coincide with the Archie boost). All the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding for looking over it and...

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I wonder if the above thread will affect Archie Cosmology or no?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Attempting to upgrade the game Sonic cosmology

Now that the recent Otherworld Comedy and Sonic Dream Team have come out, I can finally make an attempt at upgrading the size of Game Sonic's cosmology (to coincide with the Archie boost). All the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding for looking over it and...

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I have a feeling that this thread might go about as smoothly as sand paper. I mean when the topic is TIER 1 GAME Sonic the Hedgehog, it's going to be an uphill battle for everyone. Seeing Archie Sonic and Game Sonic in the same tier is going to be cursed as **** to me

I wonder if the above thread will affect Archie Cosmology or no?

I'm pretty sure the basis of the scaling, Cyberspace, is nonexistent in the Archie verse so I highly doubt it will change much.

 

[Alexander]

I'm pretty sure the basis of the scaling, Cyberspace, is nonexistent in the Archie verse so I highly doubt it will change much.

almost all things after the lost world is completaly non-existent in archie,so that means it is the rest of things

 

[Brogeefrong]

I have a feeling that this thread might go about as smoothly as sand paper. I mean when the topic is TIER 1 GAME Sonic the Hedgehog, it's going to be an uphill battle for everyone. Seeing Archie Sonic and Game Sonic in the same tier is going to be cursed as **** to me


I'm pretty sure the basis of the scaling, Cyberspace, is nonexistent in the Archie verse so I highly doubt it will change much.

So are we gonna do Archie Top tiers vs Game Top tiers

 

[Alexander]

So are we gonna do Archie Top tiers vs Game Top tiers

yeah but game has like more information manipulation and a few more hax

 

[Brogeefrong]

yeah but game has like more information manipulation and a few more hax

Game stomping Archie? wow we are truly in different times

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

So are we gonna do Archie Top tiers vs Game Top tiers

Well I don't think Game Sonic's resistance to Fate Manipulation is 7-D so Archie's Fate hax might still **** him over. Though things like Information hax, on top of Game Sonic's busted AD and amps, might actually net something in his favor

 

[Eseseso]

Archie has layers, causality hax, soul hax, and Sonic's fate hax that affects 7D Type 4 Acausals.

Game has more multipliers and boosts IIRC, Info hax, and a larger arsenal because it's a 30 year old game franchise.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Well I don't think Game Sonic's resistance to Fate Manipulation is 7-D so Archie's Fate hax might still **** him over. Though things like Information hax, on top of Game Sonic's busted AD and amps, might actually net something in his favor

Sonic has fate manip on his profile already, and it might get bumped to 7D? and Cyber Super Sonic would passively delete Archie Ultra cause cyber aura

 

[Brogeefrong]

Although i still never got a answer on if Archie's fate hax was layered

 

[Alexander]

wait,with ultimate changes in the tiering system,does that mean that solaris being ''super-dimensional''is now going to be 1-A?

 

[Eseseso]

wait,with ultimate changes in the tiering system,does that mean that solaris being ''super-dimensional''is now going to be 1-A?

Definitely not without further support, which lbh we ain't gonna get.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

(This is just a light jab, don't take it seriously.) It's a sad time to be a Dragon Ball fan here on the wiki when Heroes finally reaches 5-D after literal years, and then Archie and potentially Game Sonic get a few dimensional tiers above you in the same year.

 

[Eseseso]

(This is just a light jab, don't take it seriously.) It's a sad time to be a Dragon Ball fan here on the wiki when Heroes finally reaches 5-D after literal years, and then Archie and potentially Game Sonic get a few dimensional tiers above you in the same year.

I mean IIRC some people here think the Crack of Time for DBX/DBH should be 6D.

 

[Brogeefrong]

I mean IIRC some people here think the Crack of Time for DBX/DBH should be 6D.

7D might not happen so maybe DB fans can say they are equal to the games

 

[Brogeefrong]

(This is just a light jab, don't take it seriously.) It's a sad time to be a Dragon Ball fan here on the wiki when Heroes finally reaches 5-D after literal years, and then Archie and potentially Game Sonic get a few dimensional tiers above you in the same year.

Mario fans:

 

[JJSliderman]

I think Mario’s downgrades were similarly unfair (actually Dream Depot may be viable for 5D with hypertimeline logic as well).

 

[Omegabronic]

not gonna involve myself with Hypertimeline stuff, so won't comment much if at all