Sonic General Discussion Zone 15: OH NO!

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"If we can't have 2-B then we'll be incredibly strong 2-Cs"

 

[BlastX]

While I don't think the Shadow timelines is going to fly, everything else looks beatiful.

Though I get the feeling it won't be accepted.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I don't like using the Shadow stuff either since only one ending is canon.

The stuff in CD is better for this.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

How many universes exactly?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Lowballed it's over a hundred it seems like.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

The blog says without lowball or any other countless CD Worlds is around 300-556 universes

Again at least 2-C looks fine to me being more than half way to 2-B

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Neat blog

 

[Theuser789]

Those Death Battle blogs do better research than Death Battle itself, how ironic.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I like Mario and his games are great but I swear that the recent Mario vs Sonic death battle was Mario fan service IMO

-The original vid where Sonic won has 23 million while the newest has only 3 million

-Screw Attack even made a vid addressing how broken Archie Sonic was

-The original fight was way cooler

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Death Battle's research is really bad.

 

[MYHERO]

I do think the remake had pretty good animation, but I really hate how they portrayed Sonic there. They made his voice real try hard, made him fight like a b*tch with him flailing his arms at Mario, and just gave poor fan service in general to him. Mario was represented much better there. But like Oblivion said the amount of views pales in comparison to the older one, though I'm pretty sure that it's other factors like how long the original one was out is the reason and not because of success.

Speaking of which the most successful Mario vs Sonic match are actually where Sonic wins. Like Oblivion stated the original vid had 23 million views but there are others like

https://youtu.be/ekxkIENeaNI

https://youtu.be/4a9oQgqUv5k

https://youtu.be/F3bx2p1Nh2c

 

[ShakeResounding]

Accurate outcome (Game vs. Game), inaccurate portrayal (of Sonic), awesome animation.

That's my take lol

 

[ShakeResounding]

I don't like using the Shadow stuff either since only one ending is canon.

I think it still makes sense to at least count each ending as a timeline, that sounds fair to me.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I mean they didn't use Paper Mario either even though he's literally canon Mario.

Still not as bad as Shadow vs Vegeta or Mewtwo.

 

[Theuser789]

Accurate outcome (Game vs. Game), inaccurate portrayal (of Sonic), awesome animation.

That's my take lol

I disagree, Super Sonic beats star Mario and Sonic managed to transform into in his super form even after being knocked out by the Time Eater who is stronger than base Mario

 

[MYHERO]

Aw Shadow vs Mewtwo really sucked. One of their arguments was literally that Mewtwo can just erase his mind and Shadow would just then get himself killed, when Sonic heroes proved that wasn't the case as the moment he woke up he started attacking Omega who was shooting the whole base down.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And Shadow has resisted better mindhax than what Mewtwo has.

Not to mention Mewtwo is 5-A at most, Super Shadow is 2-B (Idc if he's rated 2-C on here and it doesn't make a difference either way).

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

IMO Sonic is 2-B with Maginary World and all and noticed that wasn't debunked so the fight is definitely plausible IMO.

-Would Sonic speedblitz?

 

[MYHERO]

I disagree, Super Sonic beats star Mario and Sonic managed to transform into in his super form even after being knocked out by the Time Eater who is stronger than base Mario

I think Shake was referring to how this wiki views these characters as most of us do believe Sonic is 2-B with immeasurable speed.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

2-B Sonic is immeasurable so yes.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I think game Sonic wins off this site but ehh on this site we got Archie Sonic whom dominates the Mario verse with a sneeze.

God I still like Mario tho lol

 

[Theuser789]

Even in this wikia star Mario is only 3-C while Super Sonic is 2-C, they didn't give Mario the pure hearts in the battle Hero

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I also believe Sonic is faster and has greater hax

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

A battle between Mario and Sonic would start off with High 4-C and MFTL+ (Mario) vs. 5-B/5-A and FTL(+) (Sonic). If Sonic doesn't immediately go Super he gets one shot.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I like Mario too.

The Mario Kart games are especially fun.

 

[MYHERO]

Archie Sonic doesn't just beat Mario. He stomps all of nintendo. Until Xeker100 upgrades Arceus that is, then Arceus might actually put up a fight.

 

[BlastX]

Yeah, if I ever go into Death Battle is for the fanmade DeviantArt ones.

They often felt better researched and written fights are still entertaining to see.

Quality may vary but eh.

 

[MYHERO]

Oh yeah DeviantArt had some good fan fiction with their death battles.

 

[Theuser789]

A battle between Mario and Sonic would start off with High 4-C and MFTL+ (Mario) vs. 5-B/5-A and FTL(+) (Sonic). If Sonic doesn't immediately go Super he gets one shot.

Sonic managed to go super after being beaten by the Time Eater who is low 2-C, even if Mario speedblitized( the irony) he can still go super

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

And 4-A Sonic May be brought back just saying

 

[MYHERO]

@Theuser That is a good point actually. If Sonic gets knocked the **** out and has all the emeralds with him at hand, he just turns into Super form. And even if Mario kills him instead of just tapping him, chaos emeralds does grant resurrection so he would still turn super lol.

 

[Theuser789]

And 4-A Sonic May be brought back just saying

There's already a thread trying to bring it back, you could help me there:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2782300

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah but like, Time Eater was completely toying with Base Sonic.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I'll post a grand post on it to pose the idea of varies on his profile

I just gotta prepare and clear my mind before jumping into another Sonic thread

 

[MYHERO]

@Shadow Doesn't matter, Mario can kill him but the chaos emeralds will just bring him back to life.

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah but like, Time Eater was completely toying with Base Sonic.

That's still low 2-C attacks that Sonic after taking them could still transform in his super form

 

[MYHERO]

Okay I wouldn't go that far. It was clear that he was holding back as he said that's just to warm him up. Unless if you actually believe universal base Sonic...

Do you?

 

[Theuser789]

No, I don't, I just believe that Sonic can go super even after taking a beating from a powerful enemy, the Time Eater clearly stomped him so Sonic obviosly doesn't scale to him

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Good times

 

[MYHERO]

I don't want to remember how Sega was so incompetent with their writing that they denied us a 2-A game Sonic and infinitely above baseline Archie Sonic.