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Sonic CRT again

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Zamasu Chan said:
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Even Phase 1 Solaris should be superior to Egg Wizard, so I'm pretty positive he'd still be 2-C and would thus scale to peak condition Super forms.
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The Egg Wizard came after Solaris, it's Superior to the Egg Salamander probably. Also lower feats contradicts 2-C phase 1 because of how they're performed.
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It doesn't contradict it because the Chaos Emerald Tier feats varied, Zamasu Cha.
 
@Nedge no limits fallacy. I already told you that the chaos emeralds had no control of their power in Sonic Rush. Just because it's a variable tier doesn't mean it has no limits. Besides the variable tier only works when people are using it.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
@Nedge no limits fallacy. I already told you that the chaos emeralds had no control of their power in Sonic Rush. Just because it's a variable tier doesn't mean it has no limits. Besides the variable tier only works when people are using it.
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I am not using No Limits Fallacy (NLF) and I believe this is an incorrect use of it. The Chaos Emeralds feats have Variable Tier and the strongest output is 2-C which I was referring to and I believe that you misunderstand my point, Zamasu Cha.
 
Chaos emeralds have a variable tier because they give the characters a specific amount of power. The chaos emeralds themselves are the power source and if that power source, but when they were near the sol emeralds they weren't under control. This should be obvious because if the emeralds could control their energy by themselves then both universes wouldn't be in danger. It can't control its power so there's no indication that it's holding back. If it can't hold back how come the chaos and sol emeralds didn't destroy ALL of reality if they were really that far into 2-C? If all they can do is a baseline 2-C feat together then that's where their limits reside.
 
If it the highest feat in Sonic Rush is baseline 2-C then there is no contradict with the release of Sonic 2006 as the Sonic Rush came before it.
 
Nedge1000 said:
If it the highest feat in Sonic Rush is baseline 2-C then there is no contradict with the release of Sonic 2006 as the Sonic Rush came before it.
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You're missing the point, it's not just one emerald set it's both. Therefore it's a shared feat so it makes each set of emeralds borderline 2-C which is still low 2-C.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
Only Solaris phase 1, I updated the OP.
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You basically want to scale Solaris' feat casual feat-which could be supporting evidences for Tier 2- instead of Eggman's statements which state it full-power in Phase 1.
 
It wasn't a casual feat, the universe would have been obliterated instantly if it was casual.

Time Eater should be at least 4-A possibly far higher.

Classic Sonic should be 4-A.

Solaris phase 1 should be low 2-C.

Solaris phase 2 should be 2-C.

Egg Salamander should be low 2-C.

Egg Wizard should remain 2-C.

Super Forms should be rated at least low 2-C possibly 2-C (baseline).
 
I'm unsure about Time Eater but I feel like he's actually Low 2-C.

Solaris regardless should be 2-C

Idk and Idc about the other two.

The Super Forms just scale to Solaris. They're just 2-C, albeit they actually are baseline.
 
Because Phase 1 would've consumed all existing timelines. Phase 2 would've never came out if the Hedgehogs didn't do anything.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Why push for baseline? There's an entire seperate thread deciding how many universes Solaris would've affected.
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Not Solaris tho, I'm not insane enough to do that.
 
The real cal howard said:
Because Phase 1 would've consumed all existing timelines. Phase 2 would've never came out if the Hedgehogs didn't do anything.
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It's never even stated specifically that phase one was gonna do it, just Solaris. Eggman vaguely knows about Solaris's second form but the people of Soleanna sure as hell do. Read the Solaris section of the OP again.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
The real cal howard said:
Because Phase 1 would've consumed all existing timelines. Phase 2 would've never came out if the Hedgehogs didn't do anything.
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It's never even stated specifically that phase one was gonna do it, just Solaris. Eggman vaguely knows about Solaris's second form but the people of Soleanna sure as hell do. Read the Solaris section of the OP again.
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I think your statements are headcanon right here and there no evidence that Eggman know of Phase 2 here, Zamasu Cha

people of Soleanna sure as hell do - I saw no evidence of this in the story

Also, when he saw Solaris's second phase, he was suprised stated it's is impossible which highlighted that he didn't know of it:https://youtu.be/BSavm5JpCGo?t=217

Also, for first phase, Eggman states Solaris eats dimension( universes in context) for lunch which is another 2-C evidences: https://youtu.be/BSavm5JpCGo?t=26
 
https://youtu.be/7me3cRqxpAk at 4:09 there's a part of a statue that shows Solaris' second phase. This heavily implies that the People of Soleanna know what his second phase looks like.

Eggman being surprised just decreases his knowledge on Solaris.

Eating dimensions is just a casually low 2-C feat. If I say I eat stars for lunch that doesn't make me galaxy level, let alone multi solar system.

Statements can only do so much. I get the goal was to stop Solaris before he destroys the universe and other timelines, but no one ran straight into action. Solaris was awakened and 20 minutes bare minimum past by then they fought Solaris. I've said this over and over again. Any multiverse buster would ERASE the universe in an INSTANT. If you are stated to destroy the galaxy but you take an hour to destroy a solar system, are you galaxy level?
 
Zamasu Chan said:
https://youtu.be/7me3cRqxpAk at 4:09 there's a part of a statue that shows Solaris' second phase. This heavily implies that the People of Soleanna know what his second phase looks like.
Eggman being surprised just decreases his knowledge on Solaris.

Eating dimensions is just a casually low 2-C feat. If I say I eat stars for lunch that doesn't make me galaxy level, let alone multi solar system.

Statements can only do so much. I get the goal was to stop Solaris before he destroys the universe and other timelines, but no one ran straight into action. Solaris was awakened and 20 minutes bare minimum past by then they fought Solaris. I've said this over and over again. Any multiverse buster would ERASE the universe in an INSTANT. If you are stated to destroy the galaxy but you take an hour to destroy a solar system, are you galaxy level?
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ummmm did you read the manual? lol it confirmed he shattered, erased and consumed timelines/dimensions in the other pages

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and i believes page 323 confirms he had done it.

your arguments were tried by many already and we disagree with the solaris business
 
Eating dimensions is just a casually low 2-C feat-> would be 2-C and adding the fact that there supporting statements for it.

https://youtu.be/7me3cRqxpAk?t=128 -> I think, this is about this can't really tell much since when Solaris' existence started as a flame afterall. There no conclusive evidence it is his second form not a intermediary previous form like flame. I rather we go by feats than speculation on this topic.

Any multiverse buster would ERASE the universe in an INSTANT - what matter is the feat not the timeframe of the feat - some multiverse buster can destroy 2-A verse in minutes like Cronus who can do it in minutes.

I believe we should settle this topic with a vote and any case the votes are widely against Solaris' downgrade.

Regarding Egg Salamander, I am neutral
 
It was stated that Solaris would cause "time itself to collapse and disappear into nothingness."

The way I would interpret this is Solaris sucking in everything into a void, similar to how Dimentio was destroying the multiverse in Paper Mario.

As for Egg Salamander, that remains 2-C.
 
@Nedge a casual low 2-C feat is in no way shape or form 2-C.

If Solaris was just a flame the entire time how would Eggman know about so much info about Solaris and why would the people of Soleanna worship a bird looking creature?

So what if a 2-A takes minutes to destroy a multiverse it's still Infinite time and space being destroyed. It's not like he took minutes to destroy a finite multiverse. Solaris in this case is taking long to do a feat that should be fodder to him. Also Eggman said he was anchored by the light shells, which implies he was weakened. Why would Solaris anchor himself? Like what? Not only is your analogy flawed, it doesn't disprove anything.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
I'm not even sure Hans still agrees since he posted that before more arguments came up.
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True. Hans also looks new to this wiki making his account in this year February and not a supporter nor knowledgeable members so I believe Hans doesn't really know much on the verse
 
@All

Egg Salamander should be low 2-C. He absorbed the sol emeralds yes but that's not a feat or else Perfect Chaos and Dark Gaia would be 2-C. That created a lot of problems in the past and it fueled the outlier argument. It wouldn't be sensible to use "draining the energy of the emeralds" as an argument it leads to a can of words I don't wanna open. Anyway the Egg Salamander was stated to be able to create another dimension so that's more than enough to warrant a low 2-C rating.

Super Forms should be 5-A to 4-A to low 2-C to 2-C. Low 2-C coming from the Time Eater and Egg Salamander. INB4 someone says they got stomped. That's not a good argument at all, why do you think the chaos emeralds have a variable tier in the first place? They never output so much unnecessary energy, they're supposed to give a necessary amount. Do you really think that the Chaos emeralds would make Classic Sonic low 2-C but modern Sonic 2-C? If that's the case Sonic would be 2-C every boss battle. A feat is a feat and Sonic has low 2-C feats that are over looked just saying.

After these are accepted I'll have this closed then move to this https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2681981?useskin=oasis thread to discuss the 2-C stuff.
 
Perfect Chaos and Dark Gaia cannot absorb nor access the True Power of the Emeralds.
 
Beings filled with Negative Energy cannot access it, only those filled with Positive Energy and powerful Machines can.
 
If you wanna be technical the machine Eggman used to awaken Dark Gaia was the one that drained the emeralds.
 
Making a to Low 2-C part for the Super States seems unnecessary since it already has two lower ratings, the Egg Salamander is scaled to Full Power Super Sonic and Burning Blaze.
 
Dark649 said:
Making a to Low 2-C part for the Super States seems unnecessary since it already has two lower ratings, the Egg Salamander is scaled to Full Power Super Sonic and Burning Blaze.
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Then why does Sonic have a 4-A rating?
 
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