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Son Goku VS Ben Tennyson (9-10-3) (INCONCLUSIVE)

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Nimnam0 said:
Swampfire has Sleep Manip gas that he can expell from his palms and low-high regen.
Wildvine also has sleep manip and mid regen.
Pesky Dust also has sleep manip but he has to get close which would be more dangerous than for swampfire or wildvine.

Feedback has 2-A/1-B energy absorbtion so he can nullify most of gokus ki based attacks

The Omnitrix usually scans new DNA regardless of Ben wants it to although he usually doesnt because most of the time it disables transformations briefly but thats inconsistent since there are multiple occasions of aliens being scanned very quickly and some occasions of new DNA being scanned over an entire episode but Ben would at best turn into a Saiyan Saga strength Saiyan unless Broly isnt a mutant, then he would be more like Broly.

Amphibian is similar to ghost freak in that he can go intangible, fly, he can also read minds and paralyze people. He can also turn into electricity but that is not the same as his intangibility.

Big Chill can also go intangible.

Goku has prior knowledge of Clockwork, Ghostfreak, and Toepick but speed is equalized and Goku wont know who Ben is going to use next out of all his options so its still possible to get them into the fight and hax him. Or just turn into Amphibian go intangible and transform into one of those 3. Or tank melee hits with Swampfire because of Regen and do the same thing.

Whampire has projectiles that let him fully mind control anyone it attaches it.

Gutrot could make a cloud sleep gas or some other lethal gas.

NRG is made of pure energy/radiation and heat to the point that just beating near him is deadly and has limited intangibility but gokus profile says he is highly resistant to radiation and harsh temperatures so that probably wouldn't work.

Echo-Echo can theoretically clone himself an infinite number of times or as much as he needs to. These clones are not physically synced and can die and get hurt without effecting the other clones, Ben also keeps a spare Echo-Echo clone sleeping in his car trunk just in case he dies. All these clones can also turn into individual Bens or other aliens if he wants to, and create an army of some of his most useful aliens for this scenario.
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He gave his reasons on very first page, so his vote counts.
Fezzih_007 said:
Why?
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DivineAura44 said:
Did you read the whole thing you just sent?
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Undylan said:
What are the wincons for both?
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Feedback's energy absorbtion and goop's liquid body (along with failsafe) would protect Ben whenever Goku attacks him (feedback can absorb 1-B energy so no ki attacks will work while goop is liquid, so he will get displaced instead of getting hurt by Goku)
Also pesky dust's sleeping dust can be win coin for Benjamin
One more thing that I can of is true form NRG (he's made up of energy so punching him won't hurt him + he can also absorb ki attacks)
And if Ben's previous wincoins fail , he can simply create a timeline eating black hole (using Goku's speed and gravattack 's gravity) and then run out of timeline using clockwork
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Not that Goku would use Ki Attack, since that would pretty much Kill Ben, but If comes to that, Goku can bend his energy attacks, or use Teleportation with Kamehameha.
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Bending energy probably won't be enough because feedback will already taking energy in with full control + even if he uses instant kamehameha then Omnitrix 's failsafe will turn him into true form of feedback (he is made of energy, so ki attack will become a part of him)
Also Goku will possibly hold back so I don't see this happening
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
If Ben goes directly to Feedback i believe Ben can win (of course, if you haven't restricted )
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Ben PFP + voting Ben over Goku... Betrayal has come from the trusted one I see. But either way, I just read few manga pages and it seems that Manga Goku is kind of better than Anime Goku in terms strategy, he wasn't willing to give Moro his energy easily, even when he wasn't aware how much of threat Moro can come out to be. So I don't think Feedback will be that good of wincon. Other Aliens wincon just as much as Goku wincon unless we believe that Manga Goku is dumb enough to not consider how he should fight enemies on which physical attacks won't work (he has prior knowledge), so I think its either Goku or incon. I lean towards latter.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Because Ben does not have immortality or protection (it is mentioned in the cartoon that he cannot die, the omnitrix will defend him every time from death)
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Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.
 
Reiner04 said:
Ben PFP + voting Ben over Goku... Betrayal has come from the trusted one I see. But either way, I just read few manga pages and it seems that Manga Goku is kind of better than Anime Goku in terms strategy, he wasn't willing to give Moro his energy easily, even when he wasn't aware how much of threat Moro can come out to be. So I don't think Feedback will be that good of wincon. Other Aliens wincon just as much as Goku wincon unless we believe that Manga Goku is dumb enough to not consider how he should fight enemies on which physical attacks won't work (he has prior knowledge), so I think its either Goku or incon. I lean towards latter.
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It makes sense, but I don't know if Goku can finish or do enough damage for Ben to go out, all this for a crazy watch that gives immunity against death ☠️
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Because Ben does not have immortality or protection (it is mentioned in the cartoon that he cannot die, the omnitrix will defend him every time from death)
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Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.
 
DivineAura44 said:
He could always hold back on the amount of Ki he puts into his blast.
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He really don't, like If he gonna use a energy attack, It either kill Ben or cause no demage at all. Like "ok, i gonna waste my energy just to cause little harm on him", he much as well go for meele.
 
Reiner04 said:
Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.
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Normal ki attacks or punches will be enough to kill
So I don't think so (failsafe will still activate)
 
Reiner04 said:
Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.
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In classic, omnitrix's failsafe got activated against vilgax (in very first fight) but vilgax wasn't trying to kill him
 
Just saying it is jir like goku would give feedback his energy again and again once he she's him using his energy against him he would proceed to hit with physical or simply eye blast feed back
 
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