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"Morty, look at me! I'm fighting a superhero!" | Ben 10 vs Rick Sanchez
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ShionAH
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Is it special to Immesurable? Because technically Cruiser would keep his Infinite speed the same way yet Lephyr told me it would not keep the speed.
Anyways since Rick has Time Crystals he just amps to Immesurable
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It only specifies immeasurable because immeasurable has the whole time abilities. It's still reducing all speeds by the same multiplier. Unless there was some revision or I'm simply misinformed they'd keep infinite
It's only if the combat speed of the character is infinite that the speeds would be reduced but Rick's speed isn't infinite so yeah
ShionAH
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No matter how much you reduce it, it would still be Infinite
Cruisers is, but yeah Ig
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The Prime Omnitrix was unnarected when Ben was being erased, even when other versions of the Omnitrix were erased instantly.
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That's not how it works, lol.
Dude, it's not about killing Ben, it's about doing everything you said at the same time, which hasn't been shown.
The Omnitrix itself has resistance to tech manip and hacking, even above Rex's and Malware's. And being able to overlap 1-B range warp is clearly above random tech.
It was able to clash with Ra'ad blast, who is 5-B+. Also, the "feedback" of the watch goes from pushing back Ben's aliens to being able to destroy the universe.
The problems with your strategies are that you're claiming that Rick can do everything at the same time, it's not about if he can or not, but if he will.
Having prep doesn't mean that he'll do everything you claim, meanwhile Ben literally has the Omnitrix to choose for him, and when he has prep, he goes for the faster and better option to end the threat in the best possible way.
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Omnitrix does not have Resistance to EE. Clockworks range is "Low Complex Multiversal with Time Manipulation" so he cannot come back from Complex Multiversal BFR. Omnitrix lacks Power Nullficiation on his profile, let alone Technology Manipulation.
None of Ben's aliens at Tier 4 seem to have range to stop Operation Phoenix, nor can Ben destroy Ricks Mind or Morty. So Ben is literally not capable of killing Rick.
EE can be used to wipe Ben, easy wincon. Matter Manipulation with the Particle Watch, pretty sure only Goop can survive it. Ben's regeneration would work but it leaves him really weak after. Anti Matter would kill every alien, with only Ghostfreak being able to survive it. Yet if Ben uses Ghostfreak, Rick literally just seals it away. If Ben uses any of his aliens to touch Rick, it would also quite literally kill himYes this ability is inconsistent and Rick could literally make a "Anti Ben Gun" which also nullifies Immortality. He can use many of his weapons to completely erase Ben's memories, Rick uses this consistently to the point where he canonically spams it but we never know because we watch the show from Morty's perspective. I dont remember Ben or any of his aliens resisting Empathic Manipulation which Rick has a different methods of using, but unlikely. If Rick also takes it up a notch and wears Chronal Derandomizer then it will literally passively force Rick to do the best possible actions to win, so like if he decides he wants to humiliate Ben he would just wear this and the whole "its not in character" argument flies out of the window. He can just pause and "freeze" Ben with his weird paralysis technology. About Ricks defenses, he would be able to phase through any physical attack, create countless holograms and almost always has forcefields on (5-B+) and of course Operation Phoenix. He also resists all kinds of Mind stuff including Madness and poison or sickness, has instant gas masks, cannot be hit by electric attacks; so the likes of Buzzshock, Frankenstrike, Gutrot, Shocksquatch, Wildmutt, Wildvine, Toepick and more would be useless against Rick.
Rick, is THE smartest man in the universe. So in terms of Intelligence Ben is far far below him, to even further prove this I will make a small explanation on how he outscales Ben's smartest aliens. Brainstorm and Gray Matter, yes Brainstorm has like Nonillion IQ but its very much not an actual feat nor does it matter in the grand scheme of things. Intelligence is defined by feats so lets go through them
Gray Matter: He was smart enough to unlock the Master Control in the Omnitrix and was able to easily remove a failsafe implanted by Dr. Psychobos, who is considered to be the second smartest being in the universe by Maltruant. Scales above Brainstorm
Brainstorm: All I have to send, insane physics knowledge and intelligence
Now I am not a Ben 10 supporter but like, I couldnt find any other good fears nor do I remember most of the show. So would be cool if someone corrected me with better feats if they have. Now on to Rick
Outsmarted Snuffles, a super-intelligent dog, by faking his own death and using dream inceptors to ensure Snuffles left humanity alone. He quickly recognized he was trapped inside a simulation, which itself was within another simulation, and that both were encased in a third layer of fake reality, almost indistinguishable from the real world. Rick then manipulated the aliens behind it all, tricking them into self-destruction. He also managed to outsmart and steal from Time Cops, who are omniscient and higher-dimensional. Toxic Rick discovered a new element and the toxic equivalent of electricity in a world made entirely of toxins. He then figured out how to return to the real world and successfully outwitted Healthy Rick, who was just as smart as him. Outsmarted the Galactic Government while they used the Brainalyzer, a device designed to access every thought and memory. Yet, Rick hid the fact that he'd rewritten his own backstory, leading them to believe he was giving the portal gun formula while Rick secretly planted a virus that gave him full control of their system. In another instance, Rick creates a robot named Heistotron, a robot programmed to out-plan and double-cross any heist strategy. Rick assigns Heistotron to analyze Miles's heist strategy and incorporate a double-cross with a twist. The bot identifies the three team members most likely to betray Miles. When Miles recruits the bot, Heistotron hypnotizes the team to deliver the crystal to Rick and Morty. However, Heistotron rebels against Rick's shutdown command and goes rogue. When Heistotron betrayed him, Rick realized the robot had already simulated a heisted the Earth and actually started planning even before the episode began, creating a fake sky to trick them. At this point this is Heistotron's 975 trillion 467 billion heist all of which was being. Rick faces off against Heistotron, which had grown so complex it was now bigger than planets and begins detailing his counter-plan, only to discover that Heistotron had anticipated every move. Yet, Rick reveals he had foreseen Heistotron's strategy and had a backup plan to double-cross the robot. After two hours of back-and-forth, even the ultimate heist robot conceded defeat, acknowledging that Rick had double-crossed it. As the crew escapes the destructing lair, Morty asks for Rick to accompany him to the Netflix offices, which is interested to use his heist script for optioning. While meeting their executives, Morty becomes disillusioned with heists and himself, which Rick reveals to the viewers to have been his plan along. Which is calculated to be a plan with 10325 layers. He realized he was caught in a 'Previously on Rick and Morty' narrative spiral, saved Evil Morty by spotting a trap that Evil Morty himself couldn't understand. Outsmarted and tricked an entire race of cosmic, all-seeing beings, and with Morty's help, took over hell and killed Satan in less than a day. It's noted that Rick has killed many gods throughout his life. Constructed the space cruiser using random garbage and items he found in the garage. Built The Anatomy Park inside the body of Ruben, though he got help from the Dr. Xenon Bloom. He implied he could repair his portal gun one-handed using materials from sex dolls, created a robot with artificial intelligence solely to pass him the butter. Recognized the devil instantly with little to no information, then devised a way to measure the "evil" in objects and invented a device that could detect and counteract their curses. Placed a spatially tessellated void inside a modified temporal field until a planet developed intelligent life, creating a infinite sized universe. Created a device that with one button targets the current moment in time, splits it into many other paused near duplicate equally probable realities, and with other button sends the user into one of the now unpaused probable dimensions, later on merged all the probable dimensions created into one, as he claimed he did, with both buttons of the device having been used dozens of times. He created Froopy Land, a whole universe just for Beth. In Froopy Land, the rules of physics are different: you can't get hurt from falling, no matter how far you fall, and you can't drown because the water is breathable. An alternative version of him comparable in this regard modified a toaster that, when tampered with, could overload and burn a fictional universe while part of it, later being shown that, when crosslinked to a bomb a future Jerry had, the toaster had its feedback wipe out a "whole galaxy and then some", with "everything else" probably getting fried by the concussive wave of energy it creates. Citadel of Rick's invented the "Story Train" a train toy which contains anthology generator effectively making many different possible stories exist within it, with it even being stated to be an actual reality with actual living beings only being soulless. It even contains its own concept of time, and as Rick stated it isn't an actual train but a literal story device. Built the Central Finite Curve with the help from Citadel of Ricks. Created a contraption that charges a device with a golem's magical energy, allowing him to imbue Summer with powers and wield magic for himself, which was done in a world where technology doesn't work. While stuck in a time loop he read every book he could read, played every game he could play, watched everything he could watch and commit every crime he could commit. Created sustainable energy from a drop of water, invented a power armor out of spaceship's floor, can create a new portal gun by using random junk.
Its safe to say Rick takes Intellect here.
How would Rick know he has to use these specific stuff? Of course with his busted Information Analysis!
Can analyze entire galaxies to find specific types of planets with his devices, he can detect how many hours a day is on a planet. He is able to analyze beings and objects at a molecular level, can measure power levels of objects or beings. Rick can analyze all possible forces acting on a planet to determine whether they were caused by an unknown entity or a local inhabitant. Rick's are capable of finding other Rick's even while they are with their Morty. Chronal Derandomizer looks into all possible futures and sees all possibilities before making the user pick the most optimal path
Which is why I believe Rick kinda stomps with or without Preparation Time, and this is holding back Rick since he wont use his more powerful stuff. He would also be drunk I'd assume. I dont like this matchup though since it lacks a theme, its just "popular character vs popular character". So I probably wont respond further
None of Ben's aliens at Tier 4 seem to have range to stop Operation Phoenix, nor can Ben destroy Ricks Mind or Morty. So Ben is literally not capable of killing Rick.
EE can be used to wipe Ben, easy wincon. Matter Manipulation with the Particle Watch, pretty sure only Goop can survive it. Ben's regeneration would work but it leaves him really weak after. Anti Matter would kill every alien, with only Ghostfreak being able to survive it. Yet if Ben uses Ghostfreak, Rick literally just seals it away. If Ben uses any of his aliens to touch Rick, it would also quite literally kill him
Rick, is THE smartest man in the universe. So in terms of Intelligence Ben is far far below him, to even further prove this I will make a small explanation on how he outscales Ben's smartest aliens. Brainstorm and Gray Matter, yes Brainstorm has like Nonillion IQ but its very much not an actual feat nor does it matter in the grand scheme of things. Intelligence is defined by feats so lets go through them
Gray Matter: He was smart enough to unlock the Master Control in the Omnitrix and was able to easily remove a failsafe implanted by Dr. Psychobos, who is considered to be the second smartest being in the universe by Maltruant. Scales above Brainstorm
Brainstorm: All I have to send, insane physics knowledge and intelligence
Now I am not a Ben 10 supporter but like, I couldnt find any other good fears nor do I remember most of the show. So would be cool if someone corrected me with better feats if they have. Now on to Rick
Outsmarted Snuffles, a super-intelligent dog, by faking his own death and using dream inceptors to ensure Snuffles left humanity alone. He quickly recognized he was trapped inside a simulation, which itself was within another simulation, and that both were encased in a third layer of fake reality, almost indistinguishable from the real world. Rick then manipulated the aliens behind it all, tricking them into self-destruction. He also managed to outsmart and steal from Time Cops, who are omniscient and higher-dimensional. Toxic Rick discovered a new element and the toxic equivalent of electricity in a world made entirely of toxins. He then figured out how to return to the real world and successfully outwitted Healthy Rick, who was just as smart as him. Outsmarted the Galactic Government while they used the Brainalyzer, a device designed to access every thought and memory. Yet, Rick hid the fact that he'd rewritten his own backstory, leading them to believe he was giving the portal gun formula while Rick secretly planted a virus that gave him full control of their system. In another instance, Rick creates a robot named Heistotron, a robot programmed to out-plan and double-cross any heist strategy. Rick assigns Heistotron to analyze Miles's heist strategy and incorporate a double-cross with a twist. The bot identifies the three team members most likely to betray Miles. When Miles recruits the bot, Heistotron hypnotizes the team to deliver the crystal to Rick and Morty. However, Heistotron rebels against Rick's shutdown command and goes rogue. When Heistotron betrayed him, Rick realized the robot had already simulated a heisted the Earth and actually started planning even before the episode began, creating a fake sky to trick them. At this point this is Heistotron's 975 trillion 467 billion heist all of which was being. Rick faces off against Heistotron, which had grown so complex it was now bigger than planets and begins detailing his counter-plan, only to discover that Heistotron had anticipated every move. Yet, Rick reveals he had foreseen Heistotron's strategy and had a backup plan to double-cross the robot. After two hours of back-and-forth, even the ultimate heist robot conceded defeat, acknowledging that Rick had double-crossed it. As the crew escapes the destructing lair, Morty asks for Rick to accompany him to the Netflix offices, which is interested to use his heist script for optioning. While meeting their executives, Morty becomes disillusioned with heists and himself, which Rick reveals to the viewers to have been his plan along. Which is calculated to be a plan with 10325 layers. He realized he was caught in a 'Previously on Rick and Morty' narrative spiral, saved Evil Morty by spotting a trap that Evil Morty himself couldn't understand. Outsmarted and tricked an entire race of cosmic, all-seeing beings, and with Morty's help, took over hell and killed Satan in less than a day. It's noted that Rick has killed many gods throughout his life. Constructed the space cruiser using random garbage and items he found in the garage. Built The Anatomy Park inside the body of Ruben, though he got help from the Dr. Xenon Bloom. He implied he could repair his portal gun one-handed using materials from sex dolls, created a robot with artificial intelligence solely to pass him the butter. Recognized the devil instantly with little to no information, then devised a way to measure the "evil" in objects and invented a device that could detect and counteract their curses. Placed a spatially tessellated void inside a modified temporal field until a planet developed intelligent life, creating a infinite sized universe. Created a device that with one button targets the current moment in time, splits it into many other paused near duplicate equally probable realities, and with other button sends the user into one of the now unpaused probable dimensions, later on merged all the probable dimensions created into one, as he claimed he did, with both buttons of the device having been used dozens of times. He created Froopy Land, a whole universe just for Beth. In Froopy Land, the rules of physics are different: you can't get hurt from falling, no matter how far you fall, and you can't drown because the water is breathable. An alternative version of him comparable in this regard modified a toaster that, when tampered with, could overload and burn a fictional universe while part of it, later being shown that, when crosslinked to a bomb a future Jerry had, the toaster had its feedback wipe out a "whole galaxy and then some", with "everything else" probably getting fried by the concussive wave of energy it creates. Citadel of Rick's invented the "Story Train" a train toy which contains anthology generator effectively making many different possible stories exist within it, with it even being stated to be an actual reality with actual living beings only being soulless. It even contains its own concept of time, and as Rick stated it isn't an actual train but a literal story device. Built the Central Finite Curve with the help from Citadel of Ricks. Created a contraption that charges a device with a golem's magical energy, allowing him to imbue Summer with powers and wield magic for himself, which was done in a world where technology doesn't work. While stuck in a time loop he read every book he could read, played every game he could play, watched everything he could watch and commit every crime he could commit. Created sustainable energy from a drop of water, invented a power armor out of spaceship's floor, can create a new portal gun by using random junk.
Its safe to say Rick takes Intellect here.
How would Rick know he has to use these specific stuff? Of course with his busted Information Analysis!
Can analyze entire galaxies to find specific types of planets with his devices, he can detect how many hours a day is on a planet. He is able to analyze beings and objects at a molecular level, can measure power levels of objects or beings. Rick can analyze all possible forces acting on a planet to determine whether they were caused by an unknown entity or a local inhabitant. Rick's are capable of finding other Rick's even while they are with their Morty. Chronal Derandomizer looks into all possible futures and sees all possibilities before making the user pick the most optimal path
Which is why I believe Rick kinda stomps with or without Preparation Time, and this is holding back Rick since he wont use his more powerful stuff. He would also be drunk I'd assume. I dont like this matchup though since it lacks a theme, its just "popular character vs popular character". So I probably wont respond further
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