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Kingofwolves999 said:
To the multiplicative portion I see no raised agreements or denounces. Wouldn't want to impose a change out of nowhere when the entirety of the scaling revolves around a multiplier being accepted.
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I lookd through all of my proposals with this and every time i brought it up i included the multiplier and everyone i listed agreed with it
 
Agreed

So the current adjustment is At least 8-A, likely Low 7-C scaling from the queen lancer tanking multiple canisters of Dust, a single one of which is 174 tons, as well as downscaling from damaging the Low 7-C Atlesian Colossus.
 
This thread is still going on?! I don't really care but make sure if this does goes through to leave a note on the verse page so people will know which values characters are scaling to
 
Wait I don't get it. Why would Dust in its inert state scale to the force of its activated state? The feat of harming the mech was done through the force of a physical object striking another.

Weiss' Dust explosions would not be the same considering the force generated from those would be wildly different compared to the above.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Wait I don't get it. Why would Dust in its inert state scale to the force of its activated state? The feat of harming the mech was done through the force of a physical object striking another.

Weiss' Dust explosions would not be the same considering the force generated from those would be wildly different compared to the above.
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It wasnt in an inert state, it tanked the dust in its active state. Tanking the dust in its inert state implies that the canisters just bouncd off and didnt explode

And what does the mech feat have to do with this?
 
This is the feat in question, right?

That feat was done with a physical construct. The force generated was from movement.

The boxes of Dust that blew up in the Queen Lancer's face was a force generated through explosions.

One is Kinetic Energy, the other is Potential Energy. I don't think they're comparable.
 
I've asked around about the legitimacy of scaling explosions to freezing through the use of the same object and I've been told by Wokistan that it's not really comparable.

It would be best to have his input. @Wokistan
 
Ive explained to Wokistan the case for RWBY and the fact that it is in fact comparable and he has agreed with me

In RWBY Dust is just crystalized energy with elemental properties. Its a universal energy source, all forms of Dust are highly explosive in their raw state but can be manipulated into controlling their elemental properties through a person's Aura. The same energy that can be used to freeze water can also be translated into an explosion. Thats why it scales, and thats why its comparable
 
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This is going to go well, i can just feel it

Wok coming out th gate saying h wont listen to my explanation
 
Anyways.......

Freezing things is a process involving the withdrawal of energy, while exploding things is a process regarding the release of energy. With the explosives in bombs and stuff, this energy is stored chemically, with reaction freeing that energy and releasing it as force and heat. Freezing is pure heat transfer.

This means that there is no way to output energy and freeze things, at least assuming we are to follow the laws of physics (which needs to be assumed should we desire to calculate these feats). If I take a bomb and I get it really cold and as a result it freezes things that touch it, that does not mean that it's able to freeze things at an equivalent level to its explosive payload or vice versa.

Literally no clue where me apparently agreeing with a point comes from, probably best to not try and pull that stuff with people who will just flat out contradict you
 
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Wokistan said:
Freezing things is a process involving the withdrawal of energy, while exploding things is a process regarding the release of energy. With the explosives in bombs and stuff, this is often a chemical process. Freezing is pure heat transfer.

This means that there is no way to output energy and freeze things, at least assuming we are to follow the laws of physics (which needs to be assumed should we desire to calculate these feats). If I take a bomb and I get it really cold and as a result it freezes things that touch it, that does not mean that it's able to freeze things at an equivalent level to its explosive payload or vice versa.
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In RWBY Dust is just crystalized energy with elemental properties. Its a universal energy source, all forms of Dust are highly explosive in their raw state but can be manipulated into controlling their elemental properties through a person's Aura. The same energy that can be used to freeze water can also be translated into an explosion. Thats why it scales, and thats why its comparable.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
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This is going to go well, i can just feel it

Wok coming out th gate saying h wont listen to my explanation
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I offered to post this myself, but if it's already here this seems convenient. The context is that I kicked him out of a discord channel because there is a long history of long and drawn out arguments involving him and certain other users in said channel, and I didn't feel like dealing with that. Due to a rather confrontational outset from the get go with a directly stated lack of interest for compromise, I just kicked him out earlier rather than later for once and told him that I didn't feel like dealing with the usual.
 
Ok but why would we apply the physics required to calc such a force to an object that doesn't adhere to our real world physics?
 
Wokistan said:
I offered to post this myself, but if it's already here this seems convenient. The context is that I kicked him out of a discord channel because there is a long history of long and drawn out arguments involving him and certain other users in said channel, and I didn't feel like dealing with that. Due to a rather confrontational outset from the get go with a directly stated lack of interest for compromise, I just kicked him out earlier rather than later for once and told him that I didn't feel like dealing with the usual.
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He now has decided to barge into VC that wok went into to stream something to continue arguing the point

For reference, I agree with Wok.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Ok but why would we apply the physics required to calc such a force to an object that doesn't adhere to our real world physics?
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Because we do so for every verse on the wiki? If you're drawing the line there then every verse that uses magic/chakra/etc. Shouldn't be viable for calcing
 
If you're drawing the line there then every verse that uses magic/chakra/etc. Shouldn't be viable for calcing

Yes. If a feat is blatantly not following physics, it should not be calculated as though it was. If other verses are scaling people's freezing to their grenades, get that shit outta there too.
 
Wokistan said:
Yes. If a feat is blatantly not following physics, it should not be calculated as though it was. If other verses are scaling people's freezing to their grenades, get that shit outta there too.
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Its literally just a universal power source my dude. It does in fact follow physics and was calculated as such. If you had bothered to listen to me before you would understand this.
 
My response is the same. Universal power source or not, completely different processes such as those do not have any real reason to scale to one another, especially when freezing isn't even an energy output feat at all. It's the literal opposite.
 
Wokistan said:
My response is the same. Universal power source or not, completely different processes such as those do not have any real reason to scale to one another, especially when freezing isn't even an energy output feat at all. It's the literal opposite.
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Itsnot a different process. The feat quite literally causes a giant block of ice to form, something Ovens conveniently neglected to tell you
 
In response to that, I shall refer to my previous statement in which I explain how something freezing is a different process regarding energy transfer than something exploding.

Freezing things is a process involving the withdrawal of energy, while exploding things is a process regarding the release of energy. With the explosives in bombs and stuff, this energy is stored chemically, with reaction freeing that energy and releasing it as force and heat. Freezing is pure heat transfer.

If the physics are wacky enough to contradict this, they're wacky enough to render the feat uncalcable.
 
Gotta be a calc somewhere down the line to have those tiers. It also remains true that the way things freeze and the way things explode are not, in fact, the same process.
 
Wokistan said:
In response to that, I shall refer to my previous statement in which I explain how something freezing is a different process regarding energy transfer than something exploding.
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Cool, in RWBY its all universal as Dust is pure energy and a universal energy source.
 
Wokistan said:
Gotta be a calc somewhere down the line to have those tiers. It also remains true that the way things freeze and the way things explode are not, in fact, the same process.
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Doesnt matter that its different processes, the energy used is the same. And again the explosion made a giant ice block
 
You seem to be missing how freezing isn't even something you can do through releasing energy.
 
You seem to be missing how energy isnt being released in this feat.

Actually, I believe it is. At least, if we are able to use your statements as a reliable source.

Doesnt matter that its different processes, the energy used is the same. And again the explosion made a giant ice block

In this comment, you state that the matter of contention is an explosion that creates a giant ice block. An explosion is a sudden, violent release of energy. It appears that you have contradicted yourself here, and as a result some clarification is required.
 
Wokistan said:
Actually, I believe it is. At least, if we are able to use your statements as a reliable source.

In this comment, you state that the matter of contention is an explosion that creates a giant ice block. An explosion is a sudden, violent release of energy. It appears that you have contradicted yourself here, and as a result some clarification is required.
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