Some good MGR calcs from Deviantart

[Eseseso]

So this excellent calc-maker, named Kirito352, has made some excellent Metal gear Rising calcs on Deviantart that could mean major upgrades for the game's characters.

Note: He does believe that Ripper Mode is a 7x multiplier, which I know this wiki says is game mechanics, but we'll discuss scaling between Ripper and Base (which IMO should just be 2x but that's not to discuss now) if/when this is accepted.

1. Not a big one, but the missile hopping calc here is slightly above the current one on the wiki (Mach 1910 vs Mach 1658).

2. Another minor one is this calc of Armstrong destroying Excelsus with 1.5x the power of the calc currently being used, at 182.456 kilotons instead of 121.6 kilotons.

3. Speaking of Relativistic Blade + Ripper Mode Raiden, this feat of him reacting to Monsoon's attacks puts Ripper + Blade Mode Raiden's reaction speed at Mach 255,955.47, or 29% the speed of light.

4. Also, at the top of the page here, his version of Raiden holding back Outer Haven is 363 million tons, so still class G but like 46 times above the current calc.

5. A 2.659 megaton feat for Raiden's Ripper Mode based on velocity stuff with Blade Mode (not sure how it'd downscale to Base Raiden but it'd put Ripper Mode Raiden and Armstrong at Low 7-B each)

6. This insane outlier feat that definitely won't be accepted but is worth mentioning anyways


Thoughts?

 

[Eseseso]

B U M P

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

6-C Moonsoon is goated.

 

[Eseseso]

6-C Moonsoon is goated.

Ah, if only.

 

[Eseseso]

Speaking of 6-C, there's this calc of Armstrong's, but it's just another version of a previous calc that wasn't accepted for various reasons.

 

[Chariot190]

Some of that sus but some of that ain't. I'm gonna check how we got EXCEL's size tho, iirc the current calc we use uses a volume obtained by just straight up comparing the in game models ripped directly from the data, if it is the case like I think it is, ours would be more accurate.

The missile he used for speed is cool tho but why wouldn't he just scale how much it actually move instead of assuming a arbitrary distance?

 

[Eseseso]

He made another calc that assumed that Raiden can swing his sword at relativistic speeds (which yielded a 1.16 megaton result, of just above baseline Low 7-B), but I found that to be very questionable so I didn't add it.

The missile he used for speed is cool tho but why wouldn't he just scale how much it actually move instead of assuming a arbitrary distance?

I don't know enough calc skills to answer that.

Besides, regardless of which one is right it doesn't change the speed result that much.

 

[Livinmeme]

O my bump

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

6. This insane outlier feat that definitely won't be accepted but is worth mentioning anyways

I feel this massively breaks the KE rules and feels like a big nono. But that's pretty wild though.

5. A 2.659 megaton feat for Raiden's Ripper Mode based on velocity stuff with Blade Mode (not sure how it'd downscale to Base Raiden but it'd put Ripper Mode Raiden and Armstrong at Low 7-B each)

I definitely think base Raiden downscales as he's not massively below Armstrong as we see in the game. Being able to take multiple hits from him as well as knock back Armstrong several times and even matching him in strength. Also Sam, who's comparable to Raiden, could do well against Armstrong.

In other words, the gap between Raiden and Ripper Mode is definitely not 7x

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I'm gonna say it.

All of it looks good.

6-C Armstrong, here we go.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

6-B MGR when

 

[Eseseso]

6-B MGR when

IIRC it was ruled to be an invalid calc

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Cringe

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Everything looks fine at a glance except the 6-C feat.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think we should move them all to blogs first and get them properly evaluated

 

[Eseseso]

I think we should move them all to blogs first and get them properly evaluated

Would it be possible to not do that? With all the pictures and stuff (plus my relative inexperience) it'd just take way too long.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would it be possible to not do that? With all the pictures and stuff (plus my relative inexperience) it'd just take way too long.

That's just the rules, I don't make them :\

 

[KLOL506]

EDIT: Oh wait, the sword calc in there is the same exact calc that I did.

The rain-drop there is monstrously huge, I didn't find any raindrop that big in the videos I used. I'd go with my one instead.

 

[Eseseso]

EDIT: Oh wait, the sword calc in there is the same exact calc that I did.

The rain-drop there is monstrously huge, I didn't find any raindrop that big in the videos I used. I'd go with my one instead.

I disagree for the time being.

 

[KLOL506]

The missile he used for speed is cool tho but why wouldn't he just scale how much it actually move instead of assuming a arbitrary distance?

This is indeed a valid concern. We should always find the actual distance moved by the projectile instead of assuming some random numbers.

Since the formula for projectile dodging is this:

Dodging speed= (Distance moved by character * Speed of projectile) / (Distance from projectile when the dodging starts)

 

[KLOL506]

I disagree for the time being.

On what grounds exactly? In the actual gameplay there's literally no raindrop that huge, maybe the guy you linked to got it by a fluke.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

5. A 2.659 megaton feat for Raiden's Ripper Mode based on velocity stuff with Blade Mode (not sure how it'd downscale to Base Raiden but it'd put Ripper Mode Raiden and Armstrong at Low 7-B each)

I think this is the highest chance of an upgrade (Going from over 100 kilotons to over 300 kilotons)

As stated earlier, I disagree with the 7x multiplier for AP as shown in the game, the gap is clearly nowhere near that large between base Raiden and Armstrong

 

[KLOL506]

I think this is the highest chance of an upgrade (Going from over 100 kilotons to over 300 kilotons)

Again, one needs to see just how humongous that guy's raindrop is to see that he got that on a fluke. The actual raindrops should not be anywhere near that massive.

 

[KLOL506]

Even if you assume 2mm raindrop size (I used 5mm because there were bigger raindrops falling around and 5mm so far has the actual speed value attached to it), the image used by the guy has a raindrop far, far larger than the one he used. That and using my pixel scaling would nail you around 794.88 kilotons of TNT, still High 7-C.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Even if you assume 2mm raindrop size (I used 5mm because there were bigger raindrops falling around and 5mm so far has the actual speed value attached to it), the image used by the guy has a raindrop far, far larger than the one he used. That and using my pixel scaling would nail you around 794.88 kilotons of TNT, still High 7-C.

High 7-C+ would be neat

Also would Metal Gear excelsus coming out of the ground as well as Armstrong erupting fire from the ground yield anything worth?

 

[Eseseso]

I think this is the highest chance of an upgrade (Going from over 100 kilotons to over 300 kilotons)

As stated earlier, I disagree with the 7x multiplier for AP as shown in the game, the gap is clearly nowhere near that large between base Raiden and Armstrong

Well without the 7x multiplier, Base Raiden downscales to Baseline Low 7-B

 

[Eseseso]

On what grounds exactly? In the actual gameplay there's literally no raindrop that huge, maybe the guy you linked to got it by a fluke.

Fluke or not, he still got a raindrop that big.

 

[Eseseso]

Everything looks fine at a glance except the 6-C feat.

What's wrong with the 6-C feat, exactly?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Well without the 7x multiplier, Base Raiden downscales to Baseline Low 7-B

No he doesn't. The base value is High 7-C, Low 7-B is the multiplied value

 

[Arcker123]

Wait so MGRR is gonna be low 7-B?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What's wrong with the 6-C feat, exactly?

It vastly breaks the KE rules I'm pretty sure.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wait so MGRR is gonna be low 7-B?

No

 

[Eseseso]

Wait so MGRR is gonna be low 7-B?

If the raindrop feat is accepted.

There was another 1.16 megaton calc the guy made but I found it to be incredibly faulty so I didn't show it.

 

[Eseseso]

No he doesn't. The base value is High 7-C, Low 7-B is the multiplied value

No, the final value he got was 2.659 megatons, the High 7-C stuff is the backscaled multiplier.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No, the final value he got was 2.659 megatons, the High 7-C stuff is the backscaled multiplier.

Ah I see.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

What's wrong with the 6-C feat, exactly?

Massive outlier?

And as others have said it goes against KE standards.

 

[KLOL506]

Fluke or not, he still got a raindrop that big.

We don't do calcs of flukes my friend. We calc with consistent things we find. Unless you wanna tell me you wanna use the biggest available value every single time to inflate calcs.

 

[Eseseso]

We don't do calcs of flukes my friend. We calc with consistent things we find. Unless you wanna tell me you wanna use the biggest available value every single time to inflate calcs.

That's what high-ends for calcs are for. He used the maximum possible raindrop size in his calc, so that would be what is known as a high-ball.