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Yeah, he's Digi-DeathThe real cal howard said:
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Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions
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Interesting. Anyway, in that case, not abstracts.
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And conceptual manipulation?
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This is interesting, Hareta's determination not only awakened Azelf but also filled him with raw energy:
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Resistance to Time Manipulation for the Lake Trio
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I mean probably.
But there that's just resistance to age manipulation.
But there that's just resistance to age manipulation.
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Well, Dialga was pushing back the time for all things to disappear from existence as if they had never existed, so I think the resistance to manipulation of time seems right.
Also the lake trio should be resistant to manipulation of time and space by default
Also the lake trio should be resistant to manipulation of time and space by default
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Yeah but clearly dialga didnt hit the vanishing point yet.
And they're almost as old.
And they're almost as old.
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And we're gonna
Bump bump bump
Bump to the top!
Slip and slide and ride that rhythm
Bump bump bump
Bump to the top!
Slip and slide and ride that rhythm
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Anyway, the crux of my argument is this:
Arceus, the entity made of condensed nothingness, created a physical form, and had created and erased 1000 arms for itself, out of nothingness. Doing any damage that requires Low to Low Godly regen? Ok. And? It's not like this physical form was made of anything, and nothingness is everywhere and nowhere, so it's not like he's short on material. Erase on a Mid Godly scale? Reducing nothing to nothing is redundancy that'll get you killed. Technically, even destroying all there is just recreates the circumstances of his creation, meaning you'd have to destroy all of everything and nothing to permanently stop Arceus from coming back (or other haxes, but not the point). Btw, Rep, it's more akin to beings made of a fluid than humans. Nonexistence isn't a solid like cells. Arceus' body parts don't matter like a human's would. It has an awareness, not a brain.
What I'm arguing for is either Mid Godly regen via reducing him to literal nothingness being logically ineffective, and/or type 8 immortality and abstract existence via being the embodiment (not a concept though) of all of the nothingness, and destroying him, or even him and everything will just recreate the fundamentals of his "birth" (which given that said predates the literal concept of time, happens immediately).
Arceus, the entity made of condensed nothingness, created a physical form, and had created and erased 1000 arms for itself, out of nothingness. Doing any damage that requires Low to Low Godly regen? Ok. And? It's not like this physical form was made of anything, and nothingness is everywhere and nowhere, so it's not like he's short on material. Erase on a Mid Godly scale? Reducing nothing to nothing is redundancy that'll get you killed. Technically, even destroying all there is just recreates the circumstances of his creation, meaning you'd have to destroy all of everything and nothing to permanently stop Arceus from coming back (or other haxes, but not the point). Btw, Rep, it's more akin to beings made of a fluid than humans. Nonexistence isn't a solid like cells. Arceus' body parts don't matter like a human's would. It has an awareness, not a brain.
What I'm arguing for is either Mid Godly regen via reducing him to literal nothingness being logically ineffective, and/or type 8 immortality and abstract existence via being the embodiment (not a concept though) of all of the nothingness, and destroying him, or even him and everything will just recreate the fundamentals of his "birth" (which given that said predates the literal concept of time, happens immediately).
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o3o.
Iunno.
Iunno.
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Help me Matt you're my only hope ovo
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I myself dont know what to make of it.
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It sounds like physical form Arceus is not the true "form" from how you're describing it.
Given this, it would be something like how Madoka's manifestations compared to her conceptual self, only in terms of non-existence. (Not sure if its regen, more like Arceus can make a new body, which basically acts like regen)
However, are you sure you're not confusing being born from nothingness with being born of nothingness? Both have different implications here.
Given this, it would be something like how Madoka's manifestations compared to her conceptual self, only in terms of non-existence. (Not sure if its regen, more like Arceus can make a new body, which basically acts like regen)
However, are you sure you're not confusing being born from nothingness with being born of nothingness? Both have different implications here.
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That's correct. The llama is an "avatar," if you will. Hence the type 9 immortality. But given that Arceus could restore the body, it should function as regen.
Not gonna lie, I read that the same both times. But yeah, I do mean that Arceus is nothingness (so the born of rather than from). It's stated that Arceus came to be where all (only thing existing at the time was the primordial chaos, aka nothingness definition for chaos, given other quotes saying nothing existed when Arceus was created) became one. So with some analysis, it's no stretch to say that Arceus is the fusion of the nothingness of the multiverse given consciousness. Note that this doesn't make him the concept of it though.
Not gonna lie, I read that the same both times. But yeah, I do mean that Arceus is nothingness (so the born of rather than from). It's stated that Arceus came to be where all (only thing existing at the time was the primordial chaos, aka nothingness definition for chaos, given other quotes saying nothing existed when Arceus was created) became one. So with some analysis, it's no stretch to say that Arceus is the fusion of the nothingness of the multiverse given consciousness. Note that this doesn't make him the concept of it though.
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Yeah its essentially a "regen that's not actually regen but it is basically that regen"
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Actually it doesn't specify. If it was born from or of.
Just said an egg appears where there was nothing.
Just said an egg appears where there was nothing.
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The other things still apply to the Original One currently known as Arceus though. As the nothingness points still are a factor.
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Really? Can someone link the lines then? This is rather important
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It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.
It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
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Quoting myself from earlier:
The real cal howard said:
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Ya may be right, but ya cpuld be wrong.
There's a lack of detail.
There's a lack of detail.
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That moment I could give a certain answer or.
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I'll stay neutral on this instead.
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@J-Man. Eh...not really, though you're right about the fact that I could be wrong (I'm man enough to admit the possibility). Anyway. Pretty sure the assumptions made are very minor, especially compared to others.
@Fate. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling me or trying to spare me heartache XD.
@Fate. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling me or trying to spare me heartache XD.
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I'm saving us both from a discussion since we kinda went there already and the subject is enough that I'd chose the neutral alternative.
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To be fair it says the egg ''tumbled'' out of the vortex of chaos.
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Tumbled can easily be a synonym for appeared in this case, and everything is just one big vortex of chaos at this point. It makes no sense for it to be used in that context. Like if I said that I just rolled up at my friend's house, does that mean I literally rolled up there? Besides, even being literal, it quite easily could still tumble after its creation. No need to think otherwise.
May be a bad analogy think of it like a whirlpool. It's a vortex of water, but from the corners to the center, it's still water emerging one fixed point. Arceus' egg is that water, but instead of everything coming from that one point, it's fusing into it.
May be a bad analogy think of it like a whirlpool. It's a vortex of water, but from the corners to the center, it's still water emerging one fixed point. Arceus' egg is that water, but instead of everything coming from that one point, it's fusing into it.
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Yes actaully, ya litterally did roll up to your friends place, assuming ya used a car.
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...where's the ovo, J-Man?
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Tis no joke.
Wheels are a fundamental part of our daily lives cal.
Wheels are a fundamental part of our daily lives cal.
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Not as much as sliced bread ovo (There; Did it for you).
How do you know I got a car? Huh?
(Other points of mine are still fine.
How do you know I got a car? Huh?
(Other points of mine are still fine.
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...forgot my closing bracket.
Can I get other admins as well plz? Or even DMs?
Can I get other admins as well plz? Or even DMs?
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My stance is, maybe?
With a heavily accentuated question mark.
With a heavily accentuated question mark.
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"In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg."
I don't think this can be interpreted as the egg being made from chaos(nothing).
The way the sentence is structured:
"At the heart of chaos..." refers to a location.
"...,where all things became one,.." would be a parenthical element that describes the heart of chaos mentioned, interrupting the message hence why you see a comma before and after it.
The important parts of the message are "At the heart of chaos" and "appeared an Egg" "where all things became one" is only there to give you information that isn't essential to the message.
I don't think this can be interpreted as the egg being made from chaos(nothing).
The way the sentence is structured:
"At the heart of chaos..." refers to a location.
"...,where all things became one,.." would be a parenthical element that describes the heart of chaos mentioned, interrupting the message hence why you see a comma before and after it.
The important parts of the message are "At the heart of chaos" and "appeared an Egg" "where all things became one" is only there to give you information that isn't essential to the message.
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Thank you for your analysis, Aguila 
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Heart likely means center. Maybe source. Besides, everything is nothing currently, and therefore the same location. All things become one at said heart.
Pretty sure the fact that the Myth about Arceus and creation has the parts about how it came to be (appeared an egg) is the most essential part.
. However...Heart likely means center. Maybe source. Besides, everything is nothing currently, and therefore the same location. All things become one at said heart.
Pretty sure the fact that the Myth about Arceus and creation has the parts about how it came to be (appeared an egg) is the most essential part.
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This is really accurate on this whole situation.SomebodyData said:
Anyways. I don't think we generally give things that came to existence out of nothingness Mid-Godly. There's a lot of characters like that.
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MOst characters are of the "just came from nothingness" variety. Arceus is outright all of it fused. Which is why SD specified born of as opposed to born from
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Understooood.
Well, I'm still uncertain. Maybe possibly Mid-Godly would be most appropriate.
Well, I'm still uncertain. Maybe possibly Mid-Godly would be most appropriate.
