Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions

[Dark649]

Yes, it affects Cyrus profile, but all the trainer Pokémon profiles are a bad mess, so i'd like a complete revision for them of a better scaling before changing that.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

What about Arceus's Mid-Godly Regen?

 

[NeoZex6399]

New abilities for Azelf:

Nasty Plot = Statistics Amplification

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nasty_Plot_(move)

Rest = Healing

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rest_(move)

Forcefield (Mesprit and Uxie to have this ability)


New abilities for Mesprit:

Copycat = Power Mimicry

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Copycat_(move)

Lucky Chant = Limited Probability Manipulation

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lucky_Chant_(move)


New abilities for Uxie:

Rest = Healing

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rest_(move)

Endure = ???

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Endure_(move)

Yawn = Status Effect Inducement

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Yawn_(move)

Amnesia = Statistics Amplification

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Amnesia_(move)

 

[Kaltias]

Space-Time manipulation could refer to controlling Dialga and Palkia, and not sure if that feat is matter manipulation or Dialga and Palkia going from sealed to unsealed.

Neutral about Arceus's regen.

Everything else seems fine. Endure as resistance against OHK maybe?

 

[NeoZex6399]

Well, the Lake Trio reversed all the effects caused by Palkia/Dialga distortion so I think Space-Time Manipulation is right, and Azelf already has that ability because it destroyed a singularity in anime.

Endure resists OHK

 

[NeoZex6399]

Bump.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Explosion Manipulation for Dialga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiTm2SWHJM

10:00

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't think that's an actual thing.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I don't think that's an actual thing.

Explosion Manipulation is a thing.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kukui

I wrote the page.

It's been a while since I've played Pokemon Ranger. Does anyone have a video of that attack?

 

[Kaltias]

https://youtu.be/vqhrO9ttwVU?t=513

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yo, Reppu. Since I have your attention, can I get your opinion on Arceus' Mid Godly regen via being literal nothingness fused together?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kaltias

Seems fine then.

@Cal

I'm not sure if existing and forming in nonexistence is the same as regenerating from nonexistence.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Arceus is literally nonexistence though.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Azzy didn't accept that, though. Arceus came from chaos but isn't made of it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Azzy's not infallible, Ever. As much as I think otherwise. He said that chaos didn't mean primordial nothingness in that case, when Pokédex entries show that it did.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Ask him, dude.

I strongly oppose you trying to push this onto other people without informing the other person of it first.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Explosion Manipulations legit? Wow

Okay then ovo

 

[NeoZex6399]

The Original One is basically the heart of chaos where all things are one, and this becomes more true when it is directly affirmed that time and space together with all pokemon and humans are part of the same presence.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Basically, where all things became one thing, where the only thing to exist was nothing, Arceus came to be.

 

[Reppuzan]

@cal

But the thing is, Arceus hasn't demonstrated the ability to regenerate from anything particularly meaningful.

Being born in nothingness doesn't mean that he'll reform from nothingness.

We don't all regenerate from a single cell despite being born from single-cells.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

To be fair, we come from two cells, egg and sperm cells ovo.

You're misunderstanding. Arceus isn't just born in nothingness. He's literally nothingness coalesced into the Original One. Consign everything to oblivion, and it just recreates the circumstances that created it. And correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm only saying this because someone else here made the compariso, but isn't this similar to why Lucemon has Mid Godly regen?

 

[NeoZex6399]

I just want Arceus to have better Regenerationn than Cryogonal...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

To be fair, we come from two cells, egg and sperm cells ovo.
You're misunderstanding. Arceus isn't just born in nothingness. He's literally nothingness coalesced into the Original One. Consign everything to oblivion, and it just recreates the circumstances that created it. And correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm only saying this because someone else here made the compariso, but isn't this similar to why Lucemon has Mid Godly regen?

No, it depends on the type of nothingness you embody. When I asked Azzy, he said embodying the Dark Area would grant Mid-Godly due to how it works.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

Erm, no.

Lucemon has Mid-Godly regen for naturally residing in the Dark Area, an area of the void so profound that simply stepping into it erodes away your mind, body, spirit, and soul into nothingness at a constant rate.

Lucemon thrives in it to the point that it's an extension of his own body.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That...sounds pretty close, as Arceus literally is said void, and the aforementioned things (mind, body, spirit, and soul) don't even exist yet. They came with the other two trios.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

There's a difference between mind, body, and soul not existing and being destroyed. Lucemon comes back from destroyed when he's killed. Arceus has no such feats.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I am neutral on this, but I believe not all voids are the same. Am I correct when i say this?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You can't destroy what doesn't exist for him though. It functions similarly. And doesn't it have to erase you to get it, rather than embracing it, or according to you (no offense, because "according to you" can sound snarky), embodying it?

Regardless, logically, if you exist as nothingness embodied, you can't erase what's not there, and if somehow you do, there's still nothingness that would recreate the inevitable circumstances of your creation.

At worst, I could see type 8 immortality and abstract existence as nothingness reliant on nothingness.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Like I said, i guess it depends on the type of void you embody.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Well, Arceus should have Abstract Existence from the Creation Trio.

Also, Arceus should be able to summon Unown...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

For the record, Arceus would've still created a llama body out of nothingness, and formed its 1000 arms out of nothingness.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm not being an ass right now, am I?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes.

I'm a liar after all.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

To be fair we cant exactly claim the "no feats on regen" thing for Arceus considering nothing in the verse can remotely harm him TO SHOW REGEN. Not even the combined might of fhe CT.

The only time we've ever even seen him CLOSE to death was dying from the meteor for losing his plates and thats massive PIS.

 

[NeoZex6399]

The 2-B forms of Creation Trio could get Abstract Existence and Conceptual Manipulation?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm pretty sure the Creation Trio being abstracts got debunked like... aaaaaaaaaaaages ago.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Depends. Concepts=Abstracts?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That's always confused me. But I believe not always, hence why Dexmon is losing his Abstract stuff.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dexmon's a concept? Huh. You think you know a monster...