Sodam Yat and Superboy Prime upgrade

[C2_of_Omegon]

I'm pretty sure he not unconscious till the end of the fight. Even when he's getting pummeled he's still conscious

Yes, but he drops off at the end just as Prime stops. He's not even able to finish his last thought. Given how his narration came in shorter bursts before stopping would point that's he's lost consciousness. I also don't believe we saw him for the rest of the battle.

I apologize if I sound as though I'm nitpicking, I'm just trying to make sure that if a change happens, every detail is clear as possible if someone comes back and calls foul.

 

[Antvasima]

I will adjust the Superboy-Prime and Sodam Yat pages.

Btw: Please read the Omnipotence page. It is not a term that we tend to use here.

 

[Ryukama]

Since we're scaling them both based on SBP's dura, then shouldn't their ratings be "At least 3-C, likely far higher" since that is what Prime has put down for his durability?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. That would be fine. Feel free to change their Attack Potencies, Durabilities, and Striking Strengths accordingly.

 

[Ryukama]

Done. Sorry but one last question.

Isn't SBP's strength meant to be comparable to Pre-Crisis Superman's? Should we adjust his lifting strength to that then? Or are we not scaling the two anymore/not in regards to that?

 

[Antvasima]

So, should we update Pre-Crisis Superman, Supergirl, Mongul, Darkseid, and Karate Kid to Multi-Galaxy level period in conjunction, or keep their tiers more flexible, to reflect the inconsistency?

 

[Legion350]

Well he is also PreCrisis Kryptonian but it's up to you. By the way can I make an key for Post Crisis Anti Monitor?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'd prefer just upgrading them altogether, Ant.

 

[Ryukama]

Should we just get rid of the "Normally" and "At his Peak" all together and make Pre-Crisis Super full on Multi-Galaxy, due to both the fact that he scales to someone who we say is likely far higher than 3-C and Supes having a 3-B feat? (I heard from some other admins he had others as well, though I am not sure)

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose to, although then we have to upgrade the other characters that I mentioned as well.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Isn't Pre-Crisis Supes' Big Bang feat technically above observable universe level, or am I misremembering?

Also, I don't know if this was ever addressed, but I posted reasoning on his talk page for the SoS being Low 2-C.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it is far above the level of our old observable universe calculation, but, if I remember correctly, DontTalk (who is likely one of the two most intelligent people in this wiki) said that it is a ridiculously low estimation for the observable universe, much less for the real full size universe, with all unknown forms of matter included. Hence, he thought that "At least 3-B" would be more appropriate.

Btw: I will check out the Pre-Crisis Superman talk page.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Wasn't it agreed that being significantly above observable universe level was still grounds for the lower ends of universe level? For instance, Amitabha dwarfs the observable universe by an absurd amount, but would still be significantly smaller than even one of the more moderate, non-infinite size estimations for the entire universe. However, it is still ranked as 3-A.

Thanks.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose. Although you would have to ask DontTalk about it.

No problem. Feel free to upgrade the Sword of Superman to "Likely Low 2-C" again.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Will do.

Done.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Naitez]

Concerning Prime's base lifting strength, can we get something from these scans? He apparently moves entire planets so fast that nobody notices, not even the guardians.

 

[Antvasima]

That is likely an extremely small fraction of his power though.

 

[Naitez]

The second scan says that Prime retrieved the Anti-Monitor's corpse. That may still be a fraction of his real power though.

How about putting his Lifting Strength at "Unknown, at least Stellar" since he has actual lifting feats compared to a lot of characters of his tier?

 

[Antvasima]

Stellar seems like a massive underestimation of a character that can withstand galaxy-destroying explosions.

 

[Antvasima]

So, in the meantime, should we upgrade the Pre-Crisis characters that I mentioned to "At least 3-B"?

 

[Naitez]

After looking at other profiles, I guess that's fair.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I am very busy with the daily backlog though, so I would appreciate if somebody else could do so.

 

[Cropfist]

I upgraded who I could based on the suggestion but Mongul, PC Superman and Darkseid's pages were locked.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will fix them.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@God-King Superman77

I don't know if you're still following but I would truly like to apologize. After waking up today and looking and reading over everything, I saw that Yat did in fact state that he felt weaker just by being near the lead in the nuclear power plant.

I apologize for most likely coming off as a stubborn and possibly condescending jerk. The only excuse I can offer is that I developed tunnel vision in regards to focussing on forming my own arguements to the point that failed to fact-check myself before diving in. I pride myself in looking at details and the fact that I failed to go back over what is one my favorite comic fights is nothing but shameful.

Cheers, to the changes.

 

[Antvasima]

So, should I close this thread?

 

[Ryukama]

For Pre Crisis Superman, are we going to keep the "At his Peak" stuff or just make him 3-B?

Also are we scaling him to SBP, and if so should I put that on the page?

 

[Antvasima]

You can remove "At his peak", if you wish.

I do not think that we can automatically scale between characters from different eras with different standards. It may be best to let Prime remain as he is.

 

[Ryukama]

Oh okay. I was just going off from how we previosuly had SBP scaled to Pre-Crisis.

I'm fine with keeping them both as they are too though.

Also I removed the "At his peak."

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that we should close this then.