Optimus Prime (Bayformers) Upgrade

[Emirp sumitpo]

They reverse engineered megatrons weaponry.

That only applies for things like the rail guns, not the more standard weaponry that we're shown clearly look like irl weapons.

Unicron is in both.

That doesn't still prove anything. Different universes have different laws and physics, something that's explicitly stated twice by Ask Vector Prime.

Not only that, but the fact Unicron only appeared in the Bayverse in 2017, after the Shroud, makes scaling it to the multiversal Unicron very iffy.

He nearly has the highest ratings, not the lowest.

And? He's still rated as Mach 3.

 

[SpookyGunShip]

Now prove without a shadow of a doubt they applied that to their weaponry.

KSI when making the drones

In forms so different that it makes the difference between your argument and being correct seem close.

Unicron is a multiversal singularity, how does his form change that?

That doesn't still prove anything. Different universes have different laws and physics, something that's explicitly stated twice by Ask Vector Prime.

Not only that, but the fact Unicron only appeared in the Bayverse in 2017, after the Shroud, makes scaling it to the multiversal Unicron very iffy.

What year does the shroud happen? Unicron was in bayverse before the earth formed.

And? He's still rated as Mach 3.

The statement contradicts itself because it says he has intersteller travel.

 

[Primestar3]

And? He's still rated as Mach 3.

Well, most of the numerical numbers in those books are asspulls. The author didn't put too much thought into it (like ROTF Megatron's claw having 600 psi power). Also, the Mach 3 thing only seems to be in regards to the first movie, not ROTF. So, it doesn't condradict FTL flight speed ROTF Megatron at least.

 

[DaReaperMan]

KSI when making the drones

KSI when they never pull that tech into their weaponry.

Unicron is a multiversal singularity, how does his form change that?

What year does the shroud happen? Unicron was in bayverse before the earth formed.

"Huh? What do you mean that Unicron post-2016 needs an explicit statement to be the multiversal one??? I havent been keeping up with anything notable with Transformers for the past decade!"

 

[SpookyGunShip]

KSI when they never pull that tech into their weaponry.

"Huh? What do you mean that Unicron post-2016 needs an explicit statement to be the multiversal one??? I havent been keeping up with anything notable with Transformers for the past decade!"

Trolling is against the rules.

 

[Primestar3]

@DaReaperMan The idea that humans weapons in Bayverse is stronger because they are reverse-engineering from Megatron is headcanon of course, but like I said in my previous post, the writers in the first movie did give an excuse as to how humans can hurt TFs with their weapons, as it had humans explicitly switch to incendiary sabot rounds halfway through the movie since TF metal reacts to high heat penetratives. So, I wouldn't say Optimus and other TFs getting damaged or fodderized by human weapons is overall an anti-feat besides it showing a weakness for heat.

Also, besides the military wankery, in the Bay movies, it is rare for TFs to get damaged by mundane things like boulders falling on them or them falling off cliffs etc. Compare this to the Bumblebee movie where TFs were shown explicitly getting damaged by things like falling off cliffs (Bumblebee dropped off a cliff by Blitzwing) or by getting rammed by a small ship carried by water (Shatter's death scene). That rarely, if ever, happens in the Bay movies.

In my view, low-end interpretation OP is multi-city block. High-end is small city. I wouldn't say the small city rating is condradicted a lot in the movies.

Universal OP is wank tho of course.

Edit: Also, besides re-entry stuff, in the first movie, you have stuff like Blackout noselling his own weaponry.

 

[Dragonite007]

@DaReaperMan The idea that humans weapons in Bayverse is stronger because they are reverse-engineering from Megatron is headcanon of course, but like I said in my previous post, the writers in the first movie did give an excuse as to how humans can hurt TFs with their weapons, as it had humans explicitly switch to incendiary sabot rounds halfway through the movie since TF metal reacts to high heat penetratives. So, I wouldn't say Optimus and other TFs getting damaged or fodderized by human weapons is overall an anti-feat besides it showing a weakness for heat.

Also, besides the military wankery, in the Bay movies, it is rare for TFs to get damaged by mundane things like boulders falling on them or them falling off cliffs etc. Compare this to the Bumblebee movie where TFs were shown explicitly getting damaged by things like falling off cliffs (Bumblebee dropped off a cliff by Blitzwing) or by getting rammed by a small ship carried by water (Shatter's death scene). That rarely, if ever, happens in the Bay movies.

In my view, low-end interpretation OP is multi-city block. High-end is small city. I wouldn't say the small city rating is condradicted a lot in the movies.

Universal OP is wank tho of course.

Edit: Also, besides re-entry stuff, in the first movie, you have stuff like Blackout noselling his own weaponry.

Optimus is already Small City level, If you are against the universal rate, so you disagre with this CRT

 

[Dragonite007]

I'm going to count the votes:

Agree:
Disagre (2;5): @Emirp sumitpo, @Qawsedf234, @Dragonite007, @Fastestthingalive50, @DaReaperMan, @Itzmrbonezone, @Primestar3
Neutral:

 

[Primestar3]

Optimus is already Small City level, If you are against the universal rate, so you disagre with this CRT

Yes, I disagree with the universal rating. I wrote that post since DaReaperMan previously said the small city level rating clashed with OP getting harmed by human weapons. I was only addressing that part.

 

[Dragonite007]

Yes, I disagree with the universal rating. I wrote that post since DaReaperMan previously said the small city level rating clashed with OP getting harmed by human weapons. I was only addressing that part.

I added you to the disagre section

 

[SpookyGunShip]

I'm changing universal+ to multi-galaxy level since being second to it isn't the same. Can we do a recount?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What year does the shroud happen? Unicron was in bayverse before the earth formed.

The shroud happened in 2015, all Unicron afterwards are now just their own thing, rather than being part of the same Unicron.

Well, most of the numerical numbers in those books are asspulls. The author didn't put too much thought into it (like ROTF Megatron's claw having 600 psi power). Also, the Mach 3 thing only seems to be in regards to the first movie, not ROTF. So, it doesn't condradict FTL flight speed ROTF Megatron at least.

Fair, but the point I wanna make is that the guidebook is not a good source to use to prove MFTL+ combat speed.

KSI when making the drones

And again, those are also exceptions. They don't fall under the regular weaponry that most humans used.

 

[Optimus.negz]

It's not outright stated, but it's pretty obvious when you watch the later films. A few examples:

• AOE tells us Optimus used to be a knight when the comics show us he used to be an orphan, then a scientist.
• Rising Storm absolutely does not match up with the DOTM prequel game, which we treat as canon.
• Bumblebee arrives on Earth during n the early 2000s in the comics, while TLK shows us he was present since WW2.
• TLK also shows us that Transformers have been on Earth since the medirval ages, when the comics only show that most have only arrived during the 1900s.
• The origin of the Transformers differs in the comics than what is shown in TLK and AOE.

The movies pretty much ignore the comics.

Aoe and Tlk are already very inconsistent with the first 3 films