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Optimus Prime (Bayformers) Upgrade

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Most of these feats come from the movie guide book, which I find to be reliable because it's an official source from the author of the first transformers comics.

The allspark is the ultimate source of power in the known universe.
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Optimus primes spark is one of the most power energy sources after the allspark.
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The fallen is powered by the Big Bang and has no yield to his weapons power. Jetfire prime destroyed him.
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Optimus has been shown to react to megatrons vehicle mode who (in a crippled form) could fly from earth to one of saturn's moons.




I am proposing to upgrade Optimus's strength to multi-galaxy and his Perception speed to Massively FTL.
 
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SpookyGunShip said:
The allspark is the ultimate source of power in the known universe.
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Per the FAQ

Q: What is the Tier for possessing Infinite Power or Infinite Strength?​

A: Statements regarding infinite power, infinite strength, or unlimited quantities do not automatically indicate an ability to produce an infinite amount of energy at once. For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once). Statements involving "infinite power/strength" must be clearly indicative of magnitude to qualify for tiering, in order to avoid inflated ratings or inconsistencies in a story. Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier. If proven, however, statements of infinite strength would qualify for High 3-A or higher if evidence regarding a higher degree of infinity above baseline is established.
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Being powered by the Big Bang doesn't mean anything. You have to prove that either character can wield an infinite magnitude of energy to get High 3-A/Low 2-C, which hasn't been shown.
SpookyGunShip said:
Optimus has been shown to react to megatrons vehicle mode who (in a crippled form) could fly from earth to one of saturn's moons.
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That's travel speed unless you can prove a reaction speed correlation.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Per the FAQ

Being powered by the Big Bang doesn't mean anything. You have to prove that either character can wield an infinite magnitude of energy to get High 3-A/Low 2-C, which hasn't been shown.

That's travel speed unless you can prove a reaction speed correlation.
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It says ultimate not infinite. He catches on to him in the video I linked.
 
SpookyGunShip said:
It says ultimate not infinite.
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The principal is the same. You're saying that since he's empowered by something with X power that he should also have X power. You have to prove that either can use an infinite magnitude of energy.
SpookyGunShip said:
He catches on to him in the video I linked.
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That's travel speed. To quote the speed page:

Regarding Travel/Flight Feats and Reactions​

If a character travels or flies very fast through a very empty terrain, in which it doesn't necessarily have to react to sudden obstacles, the speed in question is travel or flight speed, but not necessarily reaction speed. In order for it to also be reaction speed, and the speed in total hence applying to the character's combat speed, the character either must have demonstrated the ability to react to sudden obstacles while traveling at this speed, have a calculation made that supports the character having corresponding reaction speed/time or otherwise demonstrate having comparable reactions.

Simply being able to stop accurately at the target destination does typically not qualify, as it can be spotted from a large distance to make preparations to stop or the character could even slow down before reaching the destination, assuming we only know the average speed with which they moved.

The typical example of such cases of travel/flight speed that doesn't necessarily scale to reactions is space travel. As space is incredibly empty there are virtually no objects one has to navigate around between destinations. Just flying in a straight line from A to B would be safe. At the same time the typical destinations, such as stars and planets, are so large that they can easily be seen from millions of kilometers away. As a result a character would only need reactions equal to a miniscule fraction of their travel speed to perform a safe and precise landing on them.
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Flying to Saturn's moon is just travel speed, unless you can prove that Megatron scales to his deep space flight speed.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The principal is the same. You're saying that since he's empowered by something with X power that he should also have X power. You have to prove that either can use an infinite magnitude of energy.

That's travel speed. To quote the speed page:

Flying to Saturn's moon is just travel speed, unless you can prove that Megatron scales to his deep space flight speed.
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A transformers spark is made of Rarified Energon.

Energon is used to power their machinery and weapons.

I posted 2 videos, the first one shows Optimus grabbing on to megatron in jet mode.
 
SpookyGunShip said:
A transformers spark is made of Rarified Energon.

Energon is used to power their machinery and weapons.
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That doesn't meet the FAQ's requirements. To quote them again:
For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once).
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You have to show that they can use an infinite amount or magnitude of energy to get a High 3-A or Tier 2 rating. Just being powered by it isn't enough.
SpookyGunShip said:
I posted 2 videos, the first one shows Optimus grabbing on to megatron in jet mode.
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That doesn't meet the Flight Speed requirements. You would need to show that Megatron is moving at his stated maximum speed in that scene or was reacting to something during the space scene to get a FTL rating.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Being powered by the Big Bang doesn't mean anything. You have to prove that either character can wield an infinite magnitude of energy to get High 3-A/Low 2-C, which hasn't been shown.
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Actually not even infinity, since the constantly need use the star harvester to get energon to the cube and themselfs
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That doesn't meet the FAQ's requirements. To quote them again:

You have to show that they can use an infinite amount or magnitude of energy to get a High 3-A or Tier 2 rating. Just being powered by it isn't enough.

That doesn't meet the Flight Speed requirements. You would need to show that Megatron is moving at his stated maximum speed in that scene or was reacting to something during the space scene to get a FTL rating.
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I misremembered the tiers for this forum. I mean to give him a 3-A.

In the space scene he'd have to maneuver the asteroid belt on his way to Saturn, as he has stated before that he flew through space debris.
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ZeedKZ said:
Not questioning your claim, but do you have the instance where that was confirmed?
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It's not outright stated, but it's pretty obvious when you watch the later films. A few examples:

  • AOE tells us Optimus used to be a knight when the comics show us he used to be an orphan, then a scientist.
  • Rising Storm absolutely does not match up with the DOTM prequel game, which we treat as canon.
  • Bumblebee arrives on Earth during n the early 2000s in the comics, while TLK shows us he was present since WW2.
  • TLK also shows us that Transformers have been on Earth since the medirval ages, when the comics only show that most have only arrived during the 1900s.
  • The origin of the Transformers differs in the comics than what is shown in TLK and AOE.
The movies pretty much ignore the comics.
 
SpookyGunShip said:
In the space scene he'd have to maneuver the asteroid belt on his way to Saturn, as he has stated before that he flew through space debris.
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You'd have to show him doing so considering how empty the asteroid belt is. The Belt is only 3% of the Moon's mass and the average distance is 600,000 miles between them.
 
Megatrons overall speed is a 10, which is the highest number for these specs. This probably scales correctly.
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SpookyGunShip said:
Megatrons overall speed is a 10, which is the highest number for these specs. This probably scales correctly.
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That doesn't really mean anything at it's just a toy spec, and doesn't give an actual raw number.

It coming from a toy bio makes the validity even more questionable.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
It's not. I don't know where you got that idea from.
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The about us section links to fandom.

One thing I forgot to mention is that Energon increases their overall abilities. So since his spark is second to the allspark and it’s made of Energon he should have mftl speed.
 
Okay, let's just ignore very quickly that Optimus being tier 7 is already pushing it quite a bit, and that MFTL would be a titanic outlier as Optimus is currently rated at Massively Hypersonic+ and focus on the fact the OP is using shoddy statements and scaling to support his stuff.

And the wikis? My brother in christ if it isn't as detailed as the Starcraft wiki don't use it as if it's gospel!
 
DaReaperMan said:
Okay, let's just ignore very quickly that Optimus being tier 7 is already pushing it quite a bit, and that MFTL would be a titanic outlier as Optimus is currently rated at Massively Hypersonic+ and focus on the fact the OP is using shoddy statements and scaling to support his stuff.

And the wikis? My brother in christ if it isn't as detailed as the Starcraft wiki don't use it as if it's gospel!
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Could you explain? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the movies.
 
SpookyGunShip said:
Explain how the statements are outliers.
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The difference between the extreme high-end of Massively Hypersonic+ and the extreme low-end of MFTL+ is
100000x.

For reference, the difference between the high end of Average Human and baseline Subsonic is around 7x.

Now here's the more fun part: your ridiculous AP scaling.

The difference between the high end of Small City level to the baseline of Universe level has over 50 zeroes. 50. ZEROES.

For reference, the full weight of Planet Earth is only 24 zeroes in Kilograms! There are 25 ******* tiers between Optimus' absolute max and where you're trying to scale him!
 
DaReaperMan said:
The difference between the extreme high-end of Massively Hypersonic+ and the extreme low-end of MFTL+ is
100000x.

For reference, the difference between the high end of Average Human and baseline Subsonic is around 7x.

Now here's the more fun part: your ridiculous AP scaling.

The difference between the high end of Small City level to the baseline of Universe level has over 50 zeroes. 50. ZEROES.

For reference, the full weight of Planet Earth is only 24 zeroes in Kilograms! There are 25 ******* tiers between Optimus' absolute max and where you're trying to scale him!
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The difference is that new evidence has been provided.
 
SpookyGunShip said:
The difference is that new evidence has been provided.
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New evidence doesn't matter when the differences are so titanically huge that all but the most galactically absurd yo mama jokes couldn't keep up!

There are 7 zeroes in how many seconds there are per year, and you want to give Optimus an over 50 zero boost to his AP/SS/Dura, without more than just tiny statements of cosmic scale BS!
 
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