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Snyder Cut Discussion Thread

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Are there any scaling differences between the two?
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Flash also has higher AP since he can harm aquaman. He actually put him out of the fight against Superman when he accidentally ran into him or at the very least Arthur couldn't really get up or move until after superman was calmed by lois
 
Arcker123 said:
FTL Flash
Potentially relativstic batman
Supes >>> Stepenwolf
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Some characters also have different powers (Steppenwolf's Electricity Manipulation)
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Would Aquaman even scale to Steppenwolf in the Snyder Cut tbh?

Superman won't be FTL I believe as well?
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I think he staggers Steppenwolf and pierces through him with his Trident for what it's worth

Supes would also just be Relativistic since Barry doesn't move FTL in character
 
Yeah, there will be different keys depending on the versions.

About lightning, Diana reflecting Ares, it's just an effect of her gauntlets, wich can channel and release divine energy.

And so, Ares is gonna get a key for his Prime self? If that finally happens, even wit ha downgrade, that would be cool.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Yeah, there will be different keys depending on the versions.

About lightning, Diana reflecting Ares, it's just an effect of her gauntlets, wich can channel and release divine energy.

And so, Ares is gonna get a key for his Prime self? If that finally happens, even wit ha downgrade, that would be cool.
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She’d still need to move her arms before the lightning reaches her

And yeah probably since the main guy opposing it is banned
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Yep.

Oh.

So the downgrade is confirmed right?
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Mostly
Speed could be maintained for the main Continuity but That’s not the case for the Snyder Cut since Barry moving Relativistic is enough for him to just freeze them from his perspective
 
I’m torn in it

On one hand it’s mentioned but then nothing about Zack’s Atlantis is used at all, Mera has a completely different backstory, Atlanteans have a while other language of clicks and shrieks, the aesthetic is different, Aquaman’s second Trident looks different and Atlanteans can seemingly only talk with the water bubble effect

It’s kinda like Crisis on Two Earths and the DCAU imo. It was intended at one point but there’s so many discrepancies it can’t reliably be used
 
About the asethetic, the location we see in the movie is clearly an old temple where the Box was placed long ago and not the city itself and the scenes with Vulko and even Orm's brief appearence serve to tie the two movies. Also, it's not Aquaman's second trident, it's the very first, his mother's, and it's the same. The only really different thing is the bubble stuff and even then, it can be seen as mere a first idea for the Atlantean powers before being replaced with simply talking underwater.

At worse, we simply add keys to specific profiles and let the others like they're now.

Great question, is Darkseid gonna get a profile? Also, Prime Ares definitely has a great feat.
 
Aquaman only pierced Steppenwolf after Superman beat the shit out of him and broke his armour though.

Ares definitely needs keys lol

They won't be scaling from Aquaman anyway, it'll be MoS and BvS feats, both Snyder.

Although people were saying Superman was weakened in BvS final fight with Doomsday? There could be scaling issues there then.
 
Also do we still consider Superman amped by the Mother Box?

Doomsday has High 7-A nuke feat regardless that we can scale Wonder Woman and co to. Although energy absorption makes it complicated idk
 
Mera's backstory is completely different in ZSJL since her parents are dead there while Nereus is obviously alive in Aquaman.

Either way, I don't think Aquaman affects stuff much since even in Aquaman he only got his boosts midway. I don't feel like there's anything too different before he got the golden trident. Also unlike the Flash or Cyborg, there's barely any difference between Aquaman in JL 2017 and JL 2021.

The characters that are obviously different is Flash for getting FTL, maybe Cyborg but the rest are pretty much the same power-wise.

Also WW84 obviously doesn't gel well with this at all since she's a lightning timer in that and can even fly while Whedoncut and even Snydercut, she gets statued by Flash and Superman and obviously can't fly.

Even despite the magic wish depowering, WW84 version is still > all JL versions in terms of power levels especially speed. Also don't forget she had God Mode which basically granted her telekinesis in the first Wonder Woman film, though again there's barely any power continuity even in WW films as it isn't acknowledged in WW84 either.
 
Yeah maybe I'll have to rewatch the movie (not that I'm complaining) but I don't recall anything said about the Boxes empowering him. Or maybe I forgot.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Also do we still consider Superman amped by the Mother Box?

Doomsday has High 7-A nuke feat regardless that we can scale Wonder Woman and co to. Although energy absorption makes it complicated idk
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Does one need to have the durability to tank the attack before one can absorb it to convert it into anything meaningful?
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
About the asethetic, the location we see in the movie is clearly an old temple where the Box was placed long ago and not the city itself and the scenes with Vulko and even Orm's brief appearence serve to tie the two movies. Also, it's not Aquaman's second trident, it's the very first, his mother's, and it's the same. The only really different thing is the bubble stuff and even then, it can be seen as mere a first idea for the Atlantean powers before being replaced with simply talking underwater.
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No in the Knightmare he has a Golden Trident which Mera later uses
Considering this is the very same trident The ancient Atlantean King (which has to be Atlan since he's the first king of Atlantis) uses in the History Lesson it has to be some representation of Atlan’s Trident if we include Aquaman’s take which not only has a different design from Aqauman but is also something Atlan gets years later according to Aquaman's lore in the very next film.

Also the old temple is all we see and the aesthetic of the Atlanteans including Vulko is far different then what we see in Aquaman

Adding to this Aquaman is supposedly just after this going by Momoa's word and Arthur's final scene in ZSJL but this film takes place two months after BVS and Aquaman starts in March 2018, going by the news report about Manta's attack on the military submarine. Meaning the film that supposedly "picks up right after thiss" is more then a year later going by timeline clues.

The point is while they were intended to tie in, basically nothing of that is preserved here and Snyder doesn’t actively try to lean into Wan’s interpretation so we shouldn't be using Aquaman to add to the SnyderVerse
ArkhamDC06 said:
At worse, we simply add keys to specific profiles and let the others like they're now.

Great question, is Darkseid gonna get a profile? Also, Prime Ares definitely has a great feat.
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Yeah we’d add keys
Darkseid sadly won’t get a profile since all we’ve got is WOG and scaling rather then feats of his own.

Prime Ares definitely does and Zeus’ isn’t bad either
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
SnyderSuperman received no amps from the Motherbox. There was no difference in power pre and post death, meaning it's a hard confirmation in the SnyderCut that Superman was nerfed in BvS against Doomsday.
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Whedon Superman was canonically confirmed to be amped by the Mother Box, or is it that we assume so based on evidence?
 
We assumed because he seemed relative to Diana and DD in BVS and then clapped everyone by himself.

There's less evidence saying that's just how strong he is normally then in the Snyder Cut
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Just finished it. Well, that was great. To be clear, it's not a ground-breaking movie but it's definitely really good. And it pisses me off even more to think we didn't have that and got the shitty version. Steppenwolf is better than the theatrical one, same for Cyborg who finally has a real role. The action is far better, there is real violence with blood. The flashback is really good as well (and makes me love Ares even more and make me regret the Old Gods are canonically dead even more to). And Darkseid...Darkseid is just as cool as he needed to. Flash's scene was great as well. A really really great movie.

And the ending implies so many good things. It's a shame the movie probably won't have a sequel.

SC Steppenwolf gets Electricity Manipulation and Batman's gauntlets get him a real good upgrade. Also, Diana's confirmed to 5000 years old in this version. But the most important question is will Darkseid get a profile?
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Wait when was she confirmed at 5000 in the film?
 
The song was performed by a friend of Autumn apparently. She loved it so Snyder added that version to his movie to honor her. Basically, the movie is dedicated to her, as we see with "For Autumn" at the end.
 
Hellbeast said:
Dang I thought he was talking about the box

Never mind
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Had to find the scene again to be sure but yeah, it's Diana he's talking about. This marks the difference with canon Diana since she's supposed to be 800 years old.

About profiles, Aquaman should get Energy Projection with his Trident for a Snyder Cut key. He never shows this ability in the theatrical version. Atlan also never shows this himself. Gosh, how much I regret this isn't canon.

And yeah, Prime Ares definitely gets a key. And it's a really good news.
 
Canon Diana’s age varies but it seems like 800 - 3000 is the answer they’re going with

Diana being 5000 in 2015 is interesting tho since it implies she was born before Darkseid’s Invasion
 
That again helps to separate this from the rest of the movies.

Hellbeast said:
And yeah Prime Ares gets a key (oddly enough he’s about the same between both cuts)
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What do you mean?

And yep, finally. Although it goes with a downgrade and he will probably only be "At least High 7-A".
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
That again helps to separate this from the rest of the movies.
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Indeed (though I’d note those estimates are from WOG)
ArkhamDC06 said:
What do you mean?

And yep, finally. Although it goes with a downgrade and he will probably only be "At least High 7-A".
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Basically Zeus still shatters the Motherboxes and Superman and cyborg still struggle with them

He probably get 6-C tho since he’s > Superman who’s >> Steppenwolf who’s > the League

Depending on the cut you talk about that would include Clark’s World Engjne feat since Clark didn’t seem overwhelmingly stronger then everyone in the main universe until JL
 
Hellbeast said:
Canon Diana’s age varies but it seems like 800 - 3000 is the answer they’re going with

Diana being 5000 in 2015 is interesting tho since it implies she was born before Darkseid’s Invasion
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Wasn’t the first invasion nearly 30,000 years before the present?
 
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