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This is not a good debunk
Your argument is essentially saying that Hit didnt use his powers the way its SPECIFICALLY mentioned to be use or that the In VERSE DESCRIPTION of how his powers work is wong or that he didnt use his power like this Against JIREN in the T.o.P. the BATTLE FOR THE LITERAL UNIVERSE because the Writers?
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̶̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶/̶d̶e̶b̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶i̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶p̶a̶n̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶K̶n̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶a̶l̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶E̶m̶p̶i̶r̶e̶ ̶
Me, you, this entire thread:
Well, I agree with you on this
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And this is what happens when your entire argument is based on headcanon. We know he does that, prove that he doesn’t
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I know exactly what he'll say
1. We dont know if hit used it like that or not because nothing states he did
2. Could just be writer inconsistency
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1. Lmao
2. Bruh
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On another note, it’s forbidden for any God of Destruction to fight. As stated here and here, both Whis and Vados say “A God of Destruction should not fight another God of Destruction” and “It’s taboo for Gods of Destruction to fight each other”. Pretty blatant they mean any Gods fighting.
Notice how 3 Gods fighting do no damage to the WoV whatsoever.
Hmmm it’s almost as if it was stated the WoV doesn’t have space or time.
Notice how 3 Gods fighting do no damage to the WoV whatsoever.
Hmmm it’s almost as if it was stated the WoV doesn’t have space or time.
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2-C toppo confirmed?On another note, it’s forbidden for any God of Destruction to fight. As stated here and here, both Whis and Vados say “A God of Destruction should not fight another God of Destruction” and “It’s taboo for Gods of Destruction to fight each other”. Pretty blatant they mean any Gods fighting.
Notice how 3 Gods fighting do no damage to the WoV whatsoever.
Hmmm it’s almost as if it was stated the WoV doesn’t have space or time.
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Damn, I can't fight more than 8 dudes coming at me, alone........ 
̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶r̶g̶u̶m̶e̶n̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶W̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶A̶K̶M̶,̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶r̶e̶a̶d̶y̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶s̶ ̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶D̶D̶M̶ ̶a̶s̶w̶e̶l̶l̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶y̶e̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶p̶i̶n̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶.̶
@Ottavio_Merluzzo You may think you have won the fight, but not the war
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̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶r̶g̶u̶m̶e̶n̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶W̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶A̶K̶M̶,̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶r̶e̶a̶d̶y̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶s̶ ̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶D̶D̶M̶ ̶a̶s̶w̶e̶l̶l̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶y̶e̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶p̶i̶n̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶.̶
@Ottavio_Merluzzo You may think you have won the fight, but not the war
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Damn, I can't fight more than 8 dudes coming at me, alone........
̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶r̶g̶u̶m̶e̶n̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶W̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶i̶g̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶A̶K̶M̶,̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶r̶e̶a̶d̶y̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶s̶ ̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶D̶D̶M̶ ̶a̶s̶w̶e̶l̶l̶.̶ ̶ ̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶y̶e̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶p̶i̶n̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶.̶
@Ottavio_Merluzzo You may think you have won the fight, but not the war
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You guys are kinda derailing the thread with war memes 
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True, we'll stop.You guys are kinda derailing the thread with war memes
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Nullflowerblush
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that is the wrong conclusion
Also, when was it stated that Hit used his stored time to skip past other people in the Tournament of Power? If memory serves me correctly, the only mention of stored time was by Vados in reference to his Tides of Time and his special pocket dimension, something Hit only used once during the Tournament.
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̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶Vi̶e̶t̶n̶a̶me̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶r̶o̶o̶p̶s̶ ̶k̶i̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶th̶e̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶J̶a̶n̶u̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶1̶9̶7̶2̶
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I have to go to work, no more derailing with jokes and memes please.
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Nope, we treat his Timeline destruction as EE, which includes The WoV. And even if you don't want to believe that, he was stated to be able to erase anything he wishes in an instant, including the WoV ofcourse.
1- He erased the future timeline, including the WoV [We treat this feat as EE]
2- He is stated to be able to erase and destroy anything he wishes in an instant, including The WoV.
For these reasons he should have Void manipulation and should be able to interact with void ish stuff, aka NEP type 1 [THE world of void is a world that lacks space, time, matter, filled with emptiness and literally nothingness].
His EE worked on gods [Who have resistance to EE and void manipulation] thus his EE bypasses resistance, baseline one.
3-SS is capeable of restoring erased thing, aka the ability to converse nonexisten to existence [Restore was used in the dub and sub]. He restored the erased universes from T.O.P [They were erased by zeno].
I hope this summeries everything you need/what to know about the OP.
Also guys, stop drailing or I will give Raditz plot manipulation and conceptual manipulation.
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Well based on my Understanding of the situation
Super Shenron having Void Manipulation is fine with AKM
Zeno having the EE that bypasses resistances (since he can erase Gods of Destruction who have resistance to EE) is something I'm not quite sure has been fully settled as of yet. (Everyone is saying a note can probably be made saying he can bypass 1 layer of resistance)
Zeno having void manipulation and being able to Erase Voids is also still currently on going....
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What the...
Vizer04
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When he deleted the future
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So? Is there any actual proof that the world of void was even a thing in that timeline?
Vizer04
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Then who created it?
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We can't proof that Zeno EE reached there, a place isolated from the Multiverse.
And also, in fact we don't even know if there was a WoV too lol.
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The WoV is isolated from the 12 universes, not from the entire timeline.
Maybe WoV wasn't a thing, but considering the way we treat DB's cosmology there's a burden of proof on your part to actually prove that WoV isn't a thing there.
Maybe WoV wasn't a thing, but considering the way we treat DB's cosmology there's a burden of proof on your part to actually prove that WoV isn't a thing there.
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Well, if it is a thing it would have reached cause it’s still bound to the timeline
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Maybe, but it wouldn’t be strong evidence for void manip, so possible void manipulation should suffice
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Why possibly ? WoV is in the timeline, outside the multiverse but still in the timeline, the entire timeline and whatever is In it got absolutely erased from existence. So why possibly
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It's treated as EE now, so good luck.
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We treat as EE not as a ki blast , not that it changes anything actually, drastically at least
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Gotta agree with this guy right here
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