Small DBS upgrade

[Orange]

I made sure to reread through the thread again just to make sure

S.Shenron having Void is alright (by AKM and Both Sides Debating)

Zeno being able to Bypass 1 Layer of Resistance with EE is alright (by Both sides Debating, haven't gotten any Staff Certification though)

Zeno having Void Manipulation AND being able to erase Voids: everyone (both sides) is currently settled on Possibly Void Manipulation and possibly Nothingness Interaction/Erasure (No Staff Certification though)

What she said, I'm fine with possibly or likely for zeno having void manipulation, nothingness interaction/erasure, which is just NEP1 iirc.
So SS gets Void manipulation.
Zeno gets EE that bypasses one player of resistance
Zeno gets possibly/likely void manipulation and NEP1 [For being able to erase and interact with voids and pure nothingness]

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I agree with possibly Void Manipulation and/or possibly Non Physical Interaction for Zeno

 

[Orange]

I agree with possibly Void Manipulation and/or possibly Non Physical Interaction for Zeno

Zeno already has it for interacting with IZ [He has AE1] if he doesn't, he should get full NPI and NEP1 I think

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

One question, if you can interact with NEP type 1, It doesn't mean that you can also hit NEP type 2, no? just curious.

 

[Orange]

I don't think so? NEP2 is quite different from NEP1. I'll look further in it.

One question, if you can interact with NEP type 1, It doesn't mean that you can also hit NEP type 2, no? just curious.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

One question, if you can interact with NEP type 1, It doesn't mean that you can also hit NEP type 2, no? just curious.

NEP type 1 is basic nonexistence, while NEP type 2 is nonexistence on a conceptual level, so probably not.

 

[Antvasima]

I made sure to reread through the thread again just to make sure

S.Shenron having Void is alright (by AKM and Both Sides Debating)

Zeno being able to Bypass 1 Layer of Resistance with EE is alright (by Both sides Debating, haven't gotten any Staff Certification though)

Zeno having Void Manipulation AND being able to erase Voids: everyone (both sides) is currently settled on Possibly Void Manipulation and possibly Nothingness Interaction/Erasure (No Staff Certification though)

Thank you. What our staff have accepted is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Orange]

Thank you. What our staff have accepted is probably fine to apply then.

The other points [Zenos EE and void manipulation etc...] haven't been evaluated by staff, but the most knowledgeable Members about DBS gave their agreement. Perhaps you can ping other knowledgeable people so it can be properly evaluated?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

@AKM sama @DarkDragonMedeus your opinion will be appreciated.

 

[Orange]

Regular members can't tag or pin people I think

 

[Lormac_CC]

Zeno already has it for interacting with IZ [He has AE1] if he doesn't, he should get full NPI and NEP1 I think

NPI and void manipulation, He can't have NEP1 cause he isn't nothingness, but an agurment could be made for Zamasu on NEP1, not that knowledgeable on the verse so I don't know if he took over the WOV in the future timeline

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Regular members can't tag or pin people I think

I did It once and it worked, people recieved the notification.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Regular members can't tag or pin people I think

Just staffs

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

NPI and void manipulation, He can't have NEP1 cause he isn't nothingness, but an agurment could be made for Zamasu on NEP1, not that knowledgeable on the verse so I don't know if he took over the WOV in the future timeline

The argument doesn't rely on IZ tho, also because Zamasu is only Low 2-C on this wiki

 

[Lormac_CC]

One question, if you can interact with NEP type 1, It doesn't mean that you can also hit NEP type 2, no? just curious.

A character could be a void to another character who is NEP 1 and that character would still be considered NEP 1, NEP 2 is a different beast entirely

 

[Nierre]

I did It once and it worked, people recieved the notification.

Only if you reply like I am right now, can you notify people.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Only if you reply like I am right now, can you notify people.

I mean, I remeber just tagging them and It worked, they came.

 

[Orange]

NPI and void manipulation, He can't have NEP1 cause he isn't nothingness, but an agurment could be made for Zamasu on NEP1, not that knowledgeable on the verse so I don't know if he took over the WOV in the future timeline

I thought interacting With NEP1 is impossible via just NPI

 

[Antvasima]

The other points [Zenos EE and void manipulation etc...] haven't been evaluated by staff, but the most knowledgeable Members about DBS gave their agreement. Perhaps you can ping other knowledgeable people so it can be properly evaluated?

If somebody writes a good explanation of what they need to evaluate, I can notify them.

I mean, I remeber just tagging them and It worked, they came.

Non-staff members should not be able to do that, in order to avoid that we are overwhelmed with spam. If it happens again, please inform me, so I can tell our forum system manager.

 

[Orange]

If somebody writes a good explanation of what they need to evaluate, I can notify them.

Non-staff members should not be able to do that, in order to avoid that we are overwhelmed with spam. If it happens again, please inform me, so I can tell our forum system manager.

Zeno: EE that bypasses one baseline layer or resistance against EE. [HE was able to Erase multiple gods of destruction who have Resistance to EE]. Possibly void manipulation [Was able to erase the entire future timeline which Includes The world of void. Stated multiple times to be capeable of erasing all of existence and anything he Wishes in an instant, which should include The world of void] NPI [For being able to erase voids and IZ who has AE type 1].
Super shenron: Void manipulation [For being able to restore erased universe] which falls under the conversion to existence [Aka turning something from non existence to existence.

 

[Lormac_CC]

I thought interacting With NEP1 is impossible via just NPI

It is, a character mustn't be NEP1 to affect another NEP1, if it were so, a lot of characters will have NEP1, conceptual manipulation, AE

 

[Antvasima]

Zeno: EE that bypasses one baseline layer or resistance against EE. [HE was able to Erase multiple gods of destruction who have Resistance to EE]. Possibly void manipulation [Was able to erase the entire future timeline which Includes The world of void. Stated multiple times to be capeable of erasing all of existence and anything he Wishes in an instant, which should include The world of void] NPI [For being able to erase voids and IZ who has AE type 1].
Super shenron: Void manipulation [For being able to restore erased universe] which falls under the conversion to existence [Aka turning something from non existence to existence.

That is a too messy/hard to understand explanation. Sorry.

 

[Ss3micah]

That is a too messy/hard to understand explanation. Sorry.

I'll do it give me a sec

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Orange]

Hmm, which part exactly?

That is a too messy/hard to understand explanation. Sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

All of it is hard to understand due to a messy structure.

 

[Ss3micah]

Super Shenron:

Void Manipulation:
For being able to Restore all the Worlds and Characters Zeno had Erase from Existence (i.e Converting them from a state of Non Existence back to Existence)
Already has been agreed on by all participants and staff

Zeno:

Existence Erasure Upgrade (can bypass 1 layer of resistance)
For being able to Erase Gods of Destruction with Ease who have resistance to EE
Agreed on By Participants, no staff input as of yet

Void Manipulation:
For being able to erase the entire future timeline which possibly includes The world of void and stated multiple times to be capable of erasing all of existence itself and anything he wishes in an instant, which should include the world of void
Settled on Possibly by Participants, no staff input as of yet

NPI:
For being able to erase voids and IZ who has AE type 1
Agreed on By Participants, no staff input as of yet

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I understood it fine.
Zeno gets stronger EE, Void manipulation and non physical interaction. For erasing GoDs, the wov and wov + zamasu respectively.
Super shenron gets void manipulation. For restoring the universes.

 

[Antvasima]

Super Shenron:

Void Manipulation:
For being able to Restore all the Worlds and Characters Zeno had Erase from Existence (i.e Converting them from a state of Non Existence back to Existence)
Already has been agreed on by all participants and staff

Zeno:

Existence Erasure Upgrade (can bypass 1 layer of resistance)
For being able to Erase Gods of Destruction with Ease who have resistance to EE
Agreed on By Participants, no staff input as of yet

Void Manipulation:
For being able to erase the entire future timeline which possibly includes The world of void and stated multiple times to be capable of erasing all of existence itself and anything he wishes in an instant, which should include the world of void
Settled on Possibly by Participants, no staff input as of yet

NPI:
For being able to erase voids and IZ who has AE type 1
Agreed on By Participants, no staff input as of yet

Thank you.

@Elizhaa @Crabwhale @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou @Theglassman12 @AKM sama

What do you think about this?

 

[Orange]

What do think you ant? Your input is highly appreciated.

 

[SamanPatou]

I think Super Shenron's ability would just fall under the standard level of Reality Warping for restoring universes, adding Void Manip is kind of redundant, also because the world of void is just an empty realm, not some kind of nonexistent area.

For this reason, I think EE is enough for Zeno.
Bypassing a layer of resistance and NPI are fine.

 

[Orange]

I think Super Shenron's ability would just fall under the standard level of Reality Warping for restoring universes, adding Void Manip is kind of redundant, also because the world of void is just an empty realm, not some kind of nonexistent area.

For this reason, I think EE is enough for Zeno.
Bypassing a layer of resistance and NPI are fine.

"Without space or time, filled with only eternal emptyness and nothingness" sounds exactly what a void is.

 

[SamanPatou]

Doesn't the very saga itself contradict it?

There clearly is time, since there was a timer going on, and well, there is space because characters can stay within it, move around and everything else.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Question: Didn't Aniliza warp space in the world of the void?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Doesn't the very saga itself contradict it?

There clearly is time, since there was a timer going on, and well, there is space because characters can stay within it, move around and everything else.

I believe it was because of Grand Priest introducing space-time to the arena.

 

[Ss3micah]

I think Super Shenron's ability would just fall under the standard level of Reality Warping for restoring universes, adding Void Manip is kind of redundant

Redundant maybe...
But it's still better to list it than not to
Otherwise in the future, people might think were making stuff up when we claim a power works this way and that he can do this

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I believe it was because of Grand Priest introducing space-time to the arena.

When was that stated/shown? All remember is the GP making the general arena.

 

[sanicspood]

aniliza can warp space and theres a set time limit in the entire tournament

 

[Tarang123]

The WoV didn’t have space or time, but we can assume it was added later on due to the whole warping space and even the time limit. However, it having no space or time is still valid for any feat that happens before time and space were there

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

The WoV didn’t have space or time, but we can assume it was added later on due to the whole warping space and even the time limit. However, it having no space or time is still valid for any feat that happens before time and space were there

Yeah no, until concrete context given I fundamentally disagree with any major P&A additions based on assumptions.