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SMALL ADDITION TO THE LOW 2-C

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Scottycj256 said:
the Soul King's power split the universe into 3 universes separated by a separate space-time continuum, that being the dangai.

the fact that he was going to undo the dangai, which is a separate spacetime continuum, is why he's Low 2-C
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You really and dont even know what a space-time continuum is do you?
the soul king affected the past of the OG universe in a way that even in the past there was not a time that universe was one and the universe as always been three from the beginning of time? cause that is what will make the feat low 2c btw and bleach talk is derailing, so it should stop and i will stop replying to anyone who mentions bleach in this thread or who says something not worth replying to. Thank you
 
Pain_to12 said:
i do know better than you specifically

okay so let me ask, is there a proof your said yhwach was destroying the whole space-time continuum?

except that is the standard, space time continuum literally means all of past, present and future of a space, so how is it making it more complicated?
its like saying i am making the a term lets say "key" more complicated by saying that it should be added to definition that "ït is metal and it is used to open a door"

i am not trying to change the standards or complicate it, i am just saying explain it better

lol the soul king is also not a low 2c and none of his feat is low 2c, so dont wory about that
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so the person who created the 2c cosmology isn't even low 2c? lmao
 
Scottycj256 said:
simply going to just undo
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Why is he somehow required to destroy an entire tier 2 cosmology when his goal was only to delete life and death, and he found it possible to do so just by merging two 3D universes ? Undoing what sk did means deleting life and death which sk created.

Edit : won't reply or talk about bleach anymore. I'm done detailing with this shit.
 
I agree with pain_to12 i was skeptical at first but he actually makes sense to me. I think we should go through with being a bit more strict with how we view low 2c. All ive seen so far are people misrepresent his arguments. So im still in full agreement.
 
My final thoughts:
  1. I'd be fine with explaining that a space-time continuum encompasses all of space (up/down, left/right, forward/backward) and all of time (past, present, future) by default, but I hope no one is seriously considering pushing for VS Battles to require evidence of "destroying the space-time continuum" meaning destroying the universe's past, present, and future.
  2. The apparent discrepancy between what the tiering system page says about destroying multiple universes without evidence of affecting time and what AKM and DT are saying about it deserves to be addressed, but it should be taken to its own thread because it's something quite different from the OP's proposal.
  3. Y'all need to move this Bleach talk somewhere else because it's derailing the thread to hell.
And with that, I will now unfollow this thread.
 
Well thanks for your input and any other input will be appreciated, moving on.
He already unfollowed I would have loved to address his point on requiring proof for affecting space-time continuum.
If the standards requires you affect space-time continuum, then yes you need to proof you affect space-time continuums to qualify for the tier.
It's like saying to become 1A you don't have to proof you are beyond dimensions conceptually.
 
Okay, before I clock out of this thread for good, I have one last request: regarding affecting multiple universes and whether or not that is inherently tier 2, I think it's a fairly relevant issue now that it's being brought up here, but the first attempt at addressing it has been closed. I would like to ask any available staff members to either unlock the old thread (since Yuri came back, at least temporarily) or allow me to make a new one (so that I can construct a better argument, hopefully). It's better to nip this in the bud while it's a hot topic, because depending on the conclusion reached, a lot of characters will be faced with the possibility of downgrades...
 
Honestly I'd just wait for what Ultima and DontTalkDT have left to say before we take any further steps, so I'd suggest contacting them once more. Though I'm suspecting neither this nor the other 2-C thread is gonna go through based on what they had to say previously.
 
KLOL506 said:
Honestly I'd just wait for what Ultima and DontTalkDT have left to say before we take any further steps, so I'd suggest contacting them once more.
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^This. The fact Ultima hasn't responded yet and most of the people in this thread haven't yet decided to cease replying until he gives his takeaway on this is surprising.
 
irt the multiversal stuff, DontTalk hasn't responded to me, and Ultima seems to take issue with it.
 
KingPin0422 said:
Okay, before I clock out of this thread for good, I have one last request: regarding affecting multiple universes and whether or not that is inherently tier 2, I think it's a fairly relevant issue now that it's being brought up here, but the first attempt at addressing it has been closed. I would like to ask any available staff members to either unlock the old thread (since Yuri came back, at least temporarily) or allow me to make a new one (so that I can construct a better argument, hopefully). It's better to nip this in the bud while it's a hot topic, because depending on the conclusion reached, a lot of characters will be faced with the possibility of downgrades...
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I know you said you are unfollowing and I apologized for summoning you like this, but yes you can talk to Yuri or make another thread as Yuri said he only wants to do basic stuffs from now so I doubt he would be doing the thread, so after this thread indeed finishes you can make yours.

And would any staff be willing to help us tag Yuri here?
 
I think Low 2-C should include that destroying an uncountably infinite amount of 3D or whatever is Low 2-C even without the need of time.

Also regarding the 2-C stuff, if Kingpin doesn't mind we can likely work together on a continuation thread or something in PM or wherever they want, because the previous one really had half the answers addressing the wrong thing.
 
QuasiYuri said:
I think Low 2-C should include that destroying an uncountably infinite amount of 3D or whatever is Low 2-C even without the need of time.

Also regarding the 2-C stuff, if Kingpin doesn't mind we can likely work together on a continuation thread or something in PM or wherever they want, because the previous one really had half the answers addressing the wrong thing.
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Question please.
Does anything like 3D Universe exist? I thought all Universes are space-time continuum so by default they are 4D.
 
Teezar said:
Question please.
Does anything like 3D Universe exist? I thought all Universes are space-time continuum so by default they are 4D.
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If you only think in term of spatial dimension, our universe is 3D.
Tbh saying it is 4D is pretty misleading since time isn't treated as a spatial dimension (although some interpretations do treat it that way).
 
3D spacial + 1D temporal makes it 4D right?so a normal universe should be 4D default.
 
Teezar said:
Despite fictional, I can't picture a 3D world without time.
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I can as it is mostly 3D with specific things.
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Probably a two dimensional flatland with temporal dimension added to it.

Or a 3D realm without time.. a timeless void.
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3D realm isn’t necessarily a void if it contains planets, solar systems, galaxies, and then finally a universe.

I find it intriguing if anything.
 
Teezar said:
3D spacial + 1D temporal makes it 4D right?so a normal universe should be 4D default.
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Those are commonly considered as two different kind of dimensions though, so it's just "3 x dimension and 1 y dimension".

Also regarding universes without time I'm sure a lot of Ancient Greek philosophers were in favor of that so their text should give you an idea of that.
 
Teezar said:
Question please.
Does anything like 3D Universe exist? I thought all Universes are space-time continuum so by default they are 4D.
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Maybe if relativity wasn't a thing, and the present was literally all that existed, and "time" was just the name of the process that updates the one slice of reality to its next snapshot.
 
Agnaa said:
Maybe if relativity wasn't a thing, and the present was literally all that existed, and "time" was just the name of the process that updates the one slice of reality to its next snapshot.
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Can you explain the whole snapshot thing to me in great detail? Like why is it that affecting or destroying a space time contiuums present isnt enough? I dont mean to derail this thread with questions but i mean its clearly not going anywhere.
 
Kingcrim212 said:
Can you explain the whole snapshot thing to me in great detail? Like why is it that affecting or destroying a space time contiuums present isnt enough? I dont mean to derail this thread with questions but i mean its clearly not going anywhere.
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I was talking about what would make a reality be 3-A in its entirety, that would require "time" to not be a dimension, and for the present to be the only thing that exists, with "time" being a descriptor for the process that changes that present state.

With that context I find your question hard to understand. You're asking why "affecting or destroying a space time continuum's present isn't enough". Isn't enough for what?

It isn't enough for the reality to be 3-A, because having a space-time continuum means more of reality exists beyond the present.

It is enough for being a 3-A, since only effecting/destroying the present is just a normal universal-scale feat.

It isn't enough for Low 2-C, because 3-A and Low 2-C are distinguished by Low 2-C effecting time. It's established as requiring the entirety of time to be effected so that short-duration feats, such as erasing a character from the past, or erasing 10 seconds of the universe, wouldn't count as Low 2-C.
 
Teezar said:
But both makes the universe 4D.
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A "universe" only becomes 4D when you include the 4th dimension without stating you are including it. If I say "a universe is 3D" I'm not counting the 4th dimension, but if i Say "a universe is 4D" you'll have to understand that I'm also including the 4th dimension without mentioning it.
 
Oh boy
So I guess after 24 hours more I will tally the votes and see who agrees with adding the note and who doesn't and other suggestions brought up
 
My responses to what's in the OP are largely the same as what DT outlined in the first page, so, I don't think there's much for me to say on that front. The whole deal with whether destroying multiple universes should be automatically 2-C is best reserved for another thread, as others said above, given how far it deviates from the premise of the OP.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
My responses to what's in the OP are largely the same as what DT outlined in the first page, so, I don't think there's much for me to say on that front. The whole deal with whether destroying multiple universes should be automatically 2-C is best reserved for another thread, as others said above, given how far it deviates from the premise of the OP.
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So uh, What is your opinion regarding this?
Pain_to12 said:
Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entirety of past, present and future) of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
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Is there any need to mention or prove that you also need to destroy "all of the past, present and future" to qualify for Low 2-C? Or is the mere mention of the term "space-time continuum" or "all of space and time" also enough? Because AFAIK, both DT and AKM disagreed with the need to put up "past, present and future", they said that the mere mention of "spacetime-continuum" would be more than enough. Kingpin said the same too before he unfollowed.
 
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