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That's flowery language. He just has a strong punch and can attacks when you try to attack him.
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But it's specifically outlined by Ali that it's not just a nickname or moniker, he's the real deal so to speakFirephoenixearl said:That's flowery language. He just has a strong punch and can attacks when you try to attack him.
Oh yeah no, right, that's what I meant by "emulate". He can fight like he's smoke, but he doesn't actually become smoke (that'd be ****** crazy). He's just skilled at hitting and pressuring in a fashion that's reminiscent of fight a cloud of smokeFirephoenixearl said:Yeah, more like "he lives up to his name" not "he becomes gas and obstructs your field of vision". It's more to mean that "his fighting style is indeed like fighting gas", for unknown reasons but not because he produces or creates gas.
Similar to how i can say "fighting against Xiao Lee is indeed like fighting against a feather". It's not because the dude becomes an actual feather or has feather properties, it is because the way he takes attacks is similar to how a feather does.
PS: With the new upgrades Hayato became 7-C (he may get some hax later on, but after im done with the verse, which is gonna have to be in like a month or so, since i have my university exams soon, we may check whether it'll be a good fight between Hayato and Yujiro).
I'd say it's fairly apparent what that chalks up to when watching the fight: he was skilled enough to either mitigate the affects of Retsu's punches to the point to where he could continue to pressure with no issue, or at the very least he was being affect (as his face would suggest several times, though I don't know if his outward appearance is solid enough evidence) and he was still able to put himself into an advantageous position, which would be even more impressive. As far as his hits, he has able to punch in a fashion that bypassed Retsu's defenses, even though he wasn't landing any clean hits, making his offense at least comparable to Retsu's defense.Firephoenixearl said:Yeah, but that's not really a form of quantifiable skill. Because it can mean anything, it's not something concrete we can evaluate.
I think i will do well enough in the exams...or i hope so at least.
The real fight will be after the upgrades. @Earl isn't sure when he can get to them because of exams, but they'll be done eventuallyNotoriouSoda said:So Yujiro vs Hayato when?
Whoever does this, please bloodlust bothNotoriouSoda said:So Yujiro vs Hayato when?
The main problem isn't getting the upgrades. It's whether it'll be fair post upgrades. As he may gain some passive aura hax, which may or may not turn this into a stomp.BakiHanma18 said:The real fight will be after the upgrades. @Earl isn't sure when he can get to them because of exams, but they'll be done eventuallyNotoriouSoda said:So Yujiro vs Hayato when?
That's a good thing, because that makes most boxers in the Bakiverse roughly somewhere within Middle Class, so we can work up from there, like where Kaiohs and master Kaiohs place, to people like Doppo and Shibukawa, to people like Baki, Kaku, and Musashi, to finally YujiroFirephoenixearl said:The main problem isn't getting the upgrades. It's whether it'll be fair post upgrades. As he may gain some passive aura hax, which may or may not turn this into a stomp.BakiHanma18 said:The real fight will be after the upgrades. @Earl isn't sure when he can get to them because of exams, but they'll be done eventuallyNotoriouSoda said:So Yujiro vs Hayato when?
@Baki
Well it's nothing directly quantifiable nor impressivly skillful. Start of series Siegfried was Middle Class disciple, so i'd say mid class disciple is where they would stand. Middle class disciple is your classical "good but either lack of feats, or gets fodderized by the rest".
Right, right. These guys aren't exactly bottom of the barrel per say, but, well, Middle disciples are 2nd to last on the totem pole, and Smokin Joe had 1 fight and lost, as well as Ali having 2 fights and horrendously lost one and only one the other because his son had been beaten within an inch of his life 3 times in a row and then fought Ali. Then of course there's Rickson Gracie with the 700-0 record, so all either bottom of the barrel stuff or close to it, a foundation if you willFirephoenixearl said:Just to clarify. Not "middle class". Middle disciple class. So basically 1 class above bottom.
So at max he's likely the higher end of Mid Disciple? If so, I can work with thatFirephoenixearl said:Without anything concrete on how much better he is it's gonna stay on Mid Disciple still. Mid Disciples can stomp other mid disciples ez diff so...
Right on. I've got a few more questions, but I'd like to make sure you don't have any questions of your own so far. Anything I can help you with, or are you good for now?Firephoenixearl said:Yeah sure, higher end mid class disciple is fine.
2. Not really, and even then, Xiao Lee >>>>>> that stuff 13yo Baki did. The norm is that anything Baki does, specially 13yo Baki, unless stated something only he can do, Yujiro can as well.Firephoenixearl said:@KG
2. Well Yujiro's stuck to that feat, for lacking better feats on his own so...
3. No, because usually the only people "stronger" are at least 2 classes above yours so. If he fights someone stronger it'll usually be against a master class who'll be massively more skilled too. There's nothing along the lines of "fighting someone thousands of times stronger in Kenichi. But there are a ton of fighting someone significantly stronger.
4. Well It's not just that. Applications matter too. Said reflection works against grabs, multiple opponents etc etc. Just because it can reflect stronger attacks doesn't make it better by default.
5. Huh? When? Since when is relaxation ki based?
6. Stopping the flow of ki kills on a cellular level.
8. No, analytical prediction can happen for various reasons. You don't assume any form of info analysis unless specifically stated. So kenichi greatly takes this.
11. It's taking measures against every possible move. But that's for Dou types. Sei types like kenichi can predict by knowing the opponent's hearts and feelings, thinking like his opponents. Can read the movements of an opponent for as long as he maintains eye contact or is touching the opponent. Or even the small vibrations of his body. etc
12. I mean it's a better Sangan in every way, what's there to argue? And if it's body control you want then this might be interesting.
Can create an axis in the middle of his body which allows his left and right side to act separately to the point of being even capable of saying 2 sentences at the same time . And even controling the direction of his sound so that no one else but his target can hear it.
Sorry, I'm almost done. I've got like 3 high tiers in skill left to place and feats to grab for them. It gets kind of hard to differentiate between strength and speed, and skill higher upFirephoenixearl said:Bump.
Yeah, I figured as much lol. Aight, moving on to someone kinda worth their salt I guessFirephoenixearl said:Kenichi could cut people with his hands when he was still a mid class disciple so eh....
Thanks for this btw, I was wondering after the fact how exactly he does it, but figured it would just derail to ask and that we'd moved passed the featFirephoenixearl said:Just to give the scan for when that happened.
Changed his style into Shigure which allowed him to cut things using his bare hands.