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Sirzechs vs Mael (Estarossa) Speed Equalized Strongest key for boty Sirzechs start true form Win ko , death
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"out of his true form"OuterversalSaibaman said:I think Mael could win. The commandment Love nullifies Sirzech's power. He's also weak to holy magic which Mael has a lot of. The Scythe of Silence also could nullify Sirzech's magic. I vote Mael if this isn't a stomp. The question is if he can take Sirzech out of his true form.
Higher Ap won't work vs someone who is literal energy. His PoD is demonic energy which will erase you without a trace including in body, mind, soul and consciousness. Sirzechs is PoD and PoD is sirzechs, they are the same, it's impossible to make Sirzechs unable to use PoD or separate PoD from Sirzechs. And as i said "it's his true form". You can't take me out of humanity, you also can't take him out of true form. That's his real form, his unconcealed form what are you hoping to take him out of?OuterversalSaibaman said:Mael has a much higher AP so his holy magic, which Sirzechs is weak to, should be able to one or two-shot Sirzechs. What's stopping Mael from dodging said field? His PoD is aldo demonic energy. Something Mael is incredibly resistant to. Also, what's stopping him from nullifying Sirzechs' magic with the ranged Scythe of Silence? Why can't he be taken out of his true form again?
I don't think he's that old. But it's true he does hold a grudge against Hades for attacking his sister and brother-in-law. That should count. Point is Power Null doesn't work on Sirzechs.OuterversalSaibaman said:It says on Mael profile that it works on any who simply has hatred in their heart, Sirzechs has lived for hundreds of years. He hates someone.
Mael didn't hate MeliodasDragonEmperor23 said:I'm pretty sure it doesn't work any anyone with hatred in their hearts in general. Mael hated Meliodas and didn't power null himself but commandments can be effected by commandments. The description of the power was pretty much "Anyone who holds hatred towards me has their abilities nullified. It also didn't power null any of the commandments around Mael.
There are TONS of powers who have power null as a sub-categ.Monarch Laciel said:You realise that manipulation of superpowers has power null as a sub category right?
The commandment of Love prevents those with hate in their hearts from doing harm. PoD sounds pretty harmful to me.
Not Mael's powers doe. Show me where Mael states he can manipulate a superpower like he wishes. The description you gave is useless. The power null "prevents" you from using something, that's what "the commandment of love" said in your description.Monarch Laciel said:Sure you can. You nullify the dangerous aspect of his powers
Not exactly NLF, since PoD has Dura Neg, but eh.Burning Full Fingers said:Well, characters have short range teleportation that can be spammed so distance and obstructions shouldn't count anyway.
Also, physical and ranged attacks are erased on contact with Sirzechs, and he can actively do so himself but I dunno if this is a NLF.
Oh, things change then. It doesn't prevent the power, it prevents the dmg. Ok it works.Monarch Laciel said:Love: The Commandment bestowed upon Mael, presumably by a memory-altered Demon King, after Meliodas left the Ten Commandments. It renders anyone who has hatred in their heart in his presence to be unable to inflict damage to others.If it can't damage anything, it's pretty useless existence erasure.
Sirzechs is non corporeal. Also you do realize all you need to do to get mind haxed is look at sirzechs right? He activates it, but that's it.OuterversalSaibaman said:The Commandments are active even when you don't want them to be as seen when Galand gets affected by his own. Sirzechs first move would be to try and erase Mael which wouldn't work since the damage is nulled. Then, sensing demonic enerhy since the beginning, Mael would one-shot by making a holy magic barrier around him or hitting him with an Arrow of Salvation because of his much higher AP. His Mind and Sleep Manipulation would not be used before Mael makes his first move because his first move would be erasure which would not work. The attempt would then allow Mael to make at least one move, a move with holy magic which would one-shot for reasons stated above.