Shrek vs Hagrid

[Shrekosaurus_rex]

Battle takes place in Shrek's swamp.

15 metres apart, Hagrid has his pink umbrella and crossbow, Shrek is unarmed.

Speed unequalised.

Who wins?

The Ogre: 1

The Half-Giant:


What are you doing in my swamp?


Yer a wizard Harry

 

[Imaginym]

Their AP is based on these calcs, right?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ugarik/Shrek_sinks_a_ship_with_a_bottle

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...fy_Rubeus_Hagrid's_AP_via_size#The_GPE_Method

Hagrid is probably smarter, more skilled, & more dextrous, but....

Hagrid: 17,319.6 joules

Shrek: 1,602,239.76 joules

Perhaps this isn't an exotic animal Hagrid is fit to tame, seeing as Shrek is about 92.51 times higher in terms of AP. What about other statistics?

Speed

Shrek's speed is: Speed: SuperHuman (Successfully outran Dragon. Kept up with Donkey and eventually caught him; motivated adult donkeys can run up to 40 mph (64.4 kph) at short distances), with Subsonic reactions (Dodged the arrows of an expert archer with ease)

....Why his profile uses 40 miles per hour/64.4 kilometers per hour. So he should be able to move that fast, & has Subsonic reactions for dodging arrows.

Hagrid has Subsonic combat speed for hitting wizards before they can react, so he should be 34.3 to 171.5 meters per second.

In theory, Hagrid could try hit & run, since he can move faster in combat than Shrek can move, but Shrek's reaction speed can probably still keep up, even if the rest of his speed can't.

Durability

Shrek: Wall Level. (With several justifications on it for his profile to read.)

Hagrid: At least Wall level, likely Building level.

So Hagrid MIGHT survive Shrek's attacks, if he's even baseline Building Level, seeing as Small Building Level begins at 20,920,000 joules. Much higher than Shrek's 1,602,239.76 AP.

Lifting Strength

Shrek: Class 10 (Much stronger than Puss in Boots, who could wrestle bulls even as a little kid. Can overpower Puss with just one arm. Can uproot trees and pick up large metal gates)

At least Class 1 (Wrestled trolls when he was only a boy. Effortlessly hauled giant Christmas trees), likely Class 10 (Easily turned a gun into a knot. Handled Madame Maxime's horses which are as large as elephants, as well as Acromantulas which are as big as small elephants)

As it stands, Shrek either one shots Hagrid, or can't even scratch him, so let's go to a common means of other win conditions to settle this: Lifting Strength!

If either is strong enough, he could bury alive or suffocate the other. Maybe even toss them away, seeing as Class 1 is 454 to 1000 kg, & Class 10 is 5000 to 10,000 kg. Hagrid himself is approximated to weigh 535 kg . Given Shrek's Class 10, he can definitely lift him.

Hagrid isn't Class 10, but Shrek isn't twice the size of a grown man like Hagrid either, last I checked. I doubt he'd weigh TOO much.

So, I guess I'd need someone to tell me who should be more likely to overpower the other. Who's LS are better? Because so far, that seems important to the outcome.


Lastly, there's Stamina to consider:

Shrek: Stamina: Very high (Capable of traveling for days on end without issue. Ran for several hours without stopping despite being in harsh winter conditions. After crashing through a tower made out of pure rock, he got up like nothing happened)

Hagrid: Stamina: Superhuman (Can survive a considerable amount of beating from giants. Remained conscious after being tortured by Death Eaters)


So can anyone help work this out?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

so

stomp

by AP

 

[Imaginym]

@ Mr. Bambu: Except, as I detailed above Hagrid's Durability is Hagrid: At least Wall level, likely Building level.

So its possible Shrek might not even be able to hurt Hagrid.

Also, victory by Lifting Strength means might be possible. Suffocation, especially. Maybe burying, breaking limbs, not sure.

Also, Hagrid is Subsonic in combat to Shrek's Superhuman movement speed, but Shrek is Subsonic in reactions, & Speed isn't equalized.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Doesn't matter. At best, Shrek one shots. At worst, Hagrid can't do any damage no matter what.

 

[Imaginym]

And in the case where neither can damage the other?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Pointless match, really.

 

[Shrekosaurus_rex]

Hagrid > Harry, physically.

Harry can generate this much force, and has similar durability.

Not as strong as Shrek, but Hagrid is vastly superior to Harry so I think it should even out, or at least not have the gap be insurmountable.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A gap of 92x isn't that easily overcome by scaling.

 

[Shrekosaurus_rex]

Except it's not a gap of 92 times, it's just over ten times - an eleven year old Harry generates about 150,000 joules. I think Hagrid can close the gap enough to at least make it comparable. I don't think its a one-sided fight, in any case.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

No it isn't. It's a difference of 92x from calcs. Hagrid is > that. It isn't enough.

 

[Thedude5039]

Shrek soloes lol

 

[Shrekosaurus_rex]

No it isn't. It's a difference of 92x from calcs. Hagrid is > that. It isn't enough.

Look at this calc.

150,000 joules. Hagrid is far superior to an eleven year old Harry, Shrek may still be stronger, but it shouldn't be a mismatch. 17,000 joules comes from Hagrid's sheer size, not from Harry - so if that were the only factor, he wouldn't be >>>17,000 joules, he would be on that level.

But since Harry at eleven years old can smack a bludger with 9 times that force, Hagrid's AP is higher, by a lot.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Shrek still literally one-shots though. Hagrid is > a value over 10x lower than Shrek's casual AP.

 

[Shrekosaurus_rex]

Hagrid's durability is "At least Wall level, likely Building level". And Harry's value is 10x lower than Shrek's casual AP, Shrek still has a good AP advantage as it was pretty casual feat 10x better than Harry's, but Hagrid's durability and range should give him a chance.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Then it becomes a stomp in the other direction. If you use the 8-C dura, Shrek can't do anything in the other direction.

 

[Demon_Takumo_31]

So...Inconclusive?