Kawaki is resistant to timestop via Daikokuten and Shibai has Daikokuten eyes too.
How does Zeref use his conceptual manip? Why is Zeref's time stop different. Is his layered?
Shibai’s ability to reflect is Causality manipulation. If someone tries to erase a concept that indirectly harms Daemon (e.g., erasing “reflection”), the intent behind the action, if it is specifically to harm or defeat Daemon, would likely be recognized by his ability as hostile intent. And that very end result will befall the Attacker.
Zeref's concept manip comes from him absorbing the time magic within the Space Between Time (the space between time is a concept), with the fairy heart he had an infinite amount of magic which allows him to endlessly use the mentioned conceptual magic for all his spells, it basically amps all him magic to become uninteractable by characters unable to manipulate concepts (Natsu despite completely destroying Zeref's magic container alongside the fairy heart inside it couldn't interact with Zeref's now conceptual magic, as it rewound time anyways).
Which would work on zeref is he tried to punch shibai but Zeref would open with either Neo Eclipse or his Death hax which he would need conceptual npi to interact with.
What does "temporarily conceptual level" even mean?
I mean, even harming intent would trigger reflection hax.
Doesn't intention reflection require the user to be touching someone for it to activate?
No, it's when reflecting attack itself.
The better question to ask is does he resist Reality warpingg
Zeref calls his control over space-time the pinnacle of magic which puts it above various forms of law manip and reality warping magic. Anything done to him will just get passivly undone via rewinding the space time around him to the point before it happened.
We are going by the wiki and I can't find any resistance to RW on his page but I may be wrong. Outside the wiki, Shibai gets even more haxed with higher Ap.
It's not resistance, he's rewinding his own space time to before he gets Reality warped to begin with
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This is FH Zeref's first move because it's his goal, while Shibai's "in character" is non-existent because of the lack of information about him.
You're remembering wrong, this is not something inherent to Omnipotence but rather something that Ada unconsciously did with it. So it won't be something passive with Shibai because first he will have to think and use Omnipotence.
Speed is equalized, Neo-Eclipse also happens with a thought and Shibai can't do anything to stop it because Neo-Eclipse is L2-C.
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I ignored this, why are you using “in character” Zeref with his intention for the fairy tail world?
Because this is the mindset of the Zeref that is being used? What is the logic behind your question?
Then he would be using Neo eclipse with the intent to harm, the result would just bounce back on him. Not that this is needed but Shibai also has access to a separate dimension where time does not exist. He can just stay in there.
The question is would a time-line erasure kill Shibai? If yes, how quickly would Zeref pull it off before Shibai puts his mind/existence under control via type 2 information manipulation from omnipotence.
Causality Manipulation wouldn't work on Concept Manipulation.
I don’t see why timeline erasure wouldn’t kill Shibai. His regen isn’t sufficient to survive timeline erasure and we’re lacking info on his transcendence.
It will work on Zeref though, zeref is not a concept he only has an ability that does CM.
We are not lacking info on his transcendence. We know, he doesn't exist within the Naruto universe's time-space. And, Otsutsuki generally can port outside a time-space. Surely Shibai with passive temporal knowledge will see what's coming before it happens.
No. Zeref does not have to be in the SBT to rewind time. He rewinded time in the Fairy Tail Guild after Natsu completely vaporized him. Neo Eclipse also doesn’t require him to be in the SBT. It requires him merging Fairy Heart and SBT.
I meant what his “Transcendence” state actually grants (like HDE, BDE, NEP) him. I don’t know about perceiving an entire timeline’s erasure. His Prescience doesn’t seem to actually perceive an entire universal spacetime continuum’s future but certain events within said continuum’s future. Which is why I said the justification for his 2B range is terrible. Alongside the fact that said futures don’t actually seem to exist but are only possibilities “snuffed out” when the current actions don’t align up leading to them.
