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Secco vs Yang Xiao Long

Hell given that her gauntlets will be causing rapid fire explosions and make shotgun sounds its entirely possible that he'll go deaf just like when bruno used a tire popping, forxing him to use his sight instead of hearing
 
After he sees her do just about anything, he's not going to return to the surface, so baiting isn't going to happen. If she breaks the ground, Secco can just go deeper
 
Pretty sure Secco deciding to just run and hide underground would be considered self-bfr
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Pretty sure Secco deciding to just run and hide underground would be considered self-bfr
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Why? He isn't removed from the battlefield, and the goal isn't to "run and hide", the goal would to keep Yang at a distance to where he could melt her without getting destroyed
 
To do that he'd have to get out of her range, which puts him out of range of being able to melt her
 
That would be self BFR, he'd be willingly running and hiding outside of the range where either could affect the other
 
>That would be self BFR

Isnt self BFR, as dictated by SBA page, a **** ton more, then what would be occuring here?

And wouldnt it technically be the same for Yang? She's avoiding confrontation with Secco by staying in the air and staying away from the mud pool.

It goes both ways.
 
Actually looking at the SBA and BFR pages, Secco would have to be in a place he cant return to for over a week. So Self-BFR aint an option, it says though on top of that, if a fighter is incapable or cant harm the other fighter for 24 hours that's a win, issue is, the latter applies to both, Yang cant get to Secco to harm him but Secco cant get to Yang to harm her, they'll wait on the other to make a move that neither will ever do if my understand is correct.

It's like spawn camping in Halo 3, in a 1v1, while neither have died, everyone is just gonna sit and wait.
 
Nope, self-bfr is any means of hiding away from the battlefield for an extended period of time

Yang wouldnt be avoiding confrontation, she'd be actively attacking him at the same time as every time she launches herself into the air she's also shooting at him, whereas Secco would just be burrowing underground and hoping she goes away
 
It still has the same amount of time before it becomes BFR though. It also isn't self BFR if you can still affect the battlefield from there. Sometimes Ahzek Ahrima will teleport away and hit people with magic through the warp. They can't hit him but he's still fighting them, so he isn't self BFRed despite the distance.
 
@Wok Problem is he cant affect the battlefield if he's burrowing deep enough that Yang cant affect him
 
He can just not stay there for a week or day or whatever it is straight though. Self BFR takes a while.
 
>Yang wouldnt be avoiding confrontation, she'd be actively attacking him at the same time as every time she launches herself into the air she's also shooting at him, whereas Secco would just be burrowing underground and hoping she goes away

That's blatantly false, Yang would be avoiding direct confrontation as well, Secco wouldnt be trying not to harm her, he'd be waiting for Yang to come to him, the act of making the ground itself mud is an attack with the intention of harming, he's attacking, just not directly. (And even then he could still attack at range and from underground, it just wont be effective).

Like it or not, Yang is avoiding Secco just as much as Secco is avoiding her. She wont get close to him because of the mud and Secco wont get close to Yang because of the strength disadvantage, they're both in the same boat just in different ways.

And both pages state in detail, because I checkd, for BFR to happen, the opponent has to be gone and unable to return for 1 week, that's clearly not the case, both are on the battlefield.

Also >not effecting the battlefield.

The battlefueld would probably be mud, that's effecting it.
 
Avoiding confrontation and avoiding DIRECT confrontation are two different things. The former is just turning tail and running for the hills Joestar Secret Technique style, the latter is just using ranged attacks instead of cqc. Yang doesnt need to be in cqc to be able to harm Secco, her ranged attacks are more than enough to do the job and unlike Secco they actually scale to her AP
 
>Avoiding confrontation and avoiding DIRECT confrontation are two different things. The former is just turning tail and running for the hills Joestar Secret Technique style, the latter is just using ranged attacks instead of cqc. Yang doesnt need to be in cqc to be able to harm Secco, her ranged attacks are more than enough to do the job and unlike Secco they actually scale to her AP

Semantics, Yang will not, in your own words, engage Secco directly, yet given his character and his opponent that's what will need to happen yet, you said it yourself, she will not enter the mud, yet that's where he is, it doesnt matter if she has ranged attacks, because so does Secco, he can and probably will still attack from deep within the mud with ranged, now whether or not they harm Yang doesnt matter, he's still attacking and that's what matters, definitely not going a full week without attacking or effecting the battlefield (especially the latter given the battlefield will probably be effected by him at almost all times).

Yang and Secco are literally in the same position just for different reasons, both can attack each other at range, both can and will effect the battlefield, neither can actually harm each other in this situation, neither will get close enough to do any damage because when either gives in they become at an extreme disadvantage and thus they will wait for the opponent to come to them, yet that will never happen for either opponent.

Also tbh his weird ranged spear things and spit did more damage to Bruno then a full body punch to the gut from him, so they probably scale to his AP given it did more than a punch not that would change anything in this match.
 
Yang doesnt need to directly engage Secco, she can just spam the battlefield with ranged shots, potentially deafening him in the process, tearing up the street, and likely scaring the crap out of Secco as everything around him will be making exploding noises forcing him to come up to the surface as he'd have no idea where his opponent is.

>Also tbh his weird ranged spear things and spit did more damage to Bruno then a full body punch to the gut from him, so they probably scale to his AP given it did more than a punch not that would change anything in this match.

Bruno is Wall level. If you think he should be higher then make a CRT. Until then those spears are 9-B.
 
To be fair, Yang doesn't have an endless supplyof ammunition so if she runs out she either has to engage directly or adandon the fight.
 
Can you give me a scan of when Secco has ever decided to just hide underground before though? That seems rather out of character for him
 
Duedate8898 said:
To be fair, Yang doesn't have an endless supplyof ammunition so if she runs out she either has to engage directly or adandon the fight.
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She does though, there was a crt about this and it was agreed that she does
 
From what? We know she's using ammunition with her gauntlets, hence the shells we're always seeing.
 
>Yang doesnt need to directly engage Secco, she can just spam the battlefield with ranged shots, potentially deafening him in the process, tearing up the street, and likely scaring the crap out of Secco as everything around him will be making exploding noises forcing him to come up to the surface as he'd have no idea where his opponent is.

Actually, Yang will have to engange him directly, otherwise he can avoid anything she throws at him while retaliating back as long as he stays underground and goes deep enough to avoid the longer ranged attacks (but given what his initial range would be, and speed equal, avoiding things would be incredibly easy), which is likely the case, he isnt gonna engange Yang directly and is gonna try his best to not enter CQC and stay at range where he's safe, while Yang is basicaly the same just for above ground opposed to in the mud, and he can just go deeper and deeper if attacked with her best, retaliate himself, and avoid anything else, basically he's safe while in the ground and can still fight back and effect the area.

Potentially deafining him? Likely not unless he's within extreme close proximity, which, given the situation, he isnt. Actually she probably wouldnt be tearing up the shit, the street would be liquid, kinda cant tear up what is basically a liquid. Your last point only matters if she actually deafens him, which wont happen unless she actively does something to do that while he's within like half a meter of her. Likely even less so given the distance and material between them.

>Bruno is Wall level. If you think he should be higher then make a CRT. Until then those spears are 9-B.

Has nothing to do with Bruno, it has more to do with the fact they did more damage then his own punch and kick. And as even I myself said, the AP of his projectiles dont even matter, all that matters, as per the BFR and SBA pages is if he can attack not if his attacks or good or not.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Can you give me a scan of when Secco has ever decided to just hide underground before though? That seems rather out of character for him
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Literally his entire thing (he actually bitches at Bruno later on about how he's stealing his gimmick), fighting cqc is more out of character for him. Hell he hightails it into the ground the very first time he fights Bruno screaming about his face because he got cut once, Secco is a bit of a pussy, but he's a tactical pussy, if he knows Yang is stronger than him, that's it, cqc is no longer something he's gonna allow happen.
 
Oh god it's another one of those threads. What has more votes? Because I'll vote for incon or yang if it'll speed this up
 
I aint even voting, I'm only saying how I think Secco would react at this point, and it only became a SBA and BFR detail discussion on the circumstances of the fight because it was brought up that Seccowould self-BFR, even though, going by the rules and explanations on both theBFR and SBA page, it isnt.

Although tbh I think I probably should throw a vote to a stalemate though, given I just played devil's advocate for like an hour. Anyway, probably gonna head out, only gotta do one thing on Re2 till i have that sweet plat. Wanna finish that up tonight.
 
@Chariot Given the initial range he would be more than likely to lead with trying to engage Yang directly seeing as thats what he did in the fights we saw with him. He doesnt have prior knowledge so he doesnt know that Yang is stronger, more skilled, and has ranged attacks and explosive punches that can deafen him. He would go in close at the start like he did against Bruno and would immediately get slugged in the face, likely deafened as a result, would have no idea why he cant melt his opponent, and would go full panic mode like he did when his eardrums were ruptured in his fight with Bruno.
 
Basically, due to not having prior knowledge, Secco would go straight for trying to punch and melt Yang which wouldnt work as he has no idea that Yang has aura and would immediately backfire as not only is Yang initially stronger but it would both immediately put Yang on her guard and would start to charge her semblance if he actually manages to land a few punches, meanwhile Yang would just be pissed off that some weirdo in a brown bodysuit just popped out of the ground and tried to donkey punch her
 
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