Searching for fair match for Accel - Accelerator vs Mogura Kugurugi

[Guardspace]

Pre-headshot Accelerator

In-character

Speed eqalized

SBA

Accelerator:

Discont Kumagawa:

Incon:

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Mogura: "Quiet"

Accel: *Dies*

 

[Guardspace]

I think accel isn't Quiet in charcter.

Besides quiet isn't instant.

"An enemy must be quiet for some short length of time before them being quiet can be changed into death."

Last thing Mogura never use Quiet in manga.

I was rather was curious how Accelerator can interact with Nothing.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Doesnt seem like that

Either way, her entire set would work on Accel, so

 

[Scrlk666777]

Mogura: "Quiet"
Accel: *Dies*

Does she need to actually say quiet to achieve this feat?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes, Style users perform their abilities by speaking

 

[Guardspace]

From her profile

Death: When the enemy is "Quiet" or does not talk, she can convert that into "Death." thus causing them to drop dead instantly.

From weakness: An enemy must be quiet for some short length of time before them being quiet can be changed into death

 

[Scrlk666777]

So what if Accelerator already has all sound reverted away from him from the very beginning?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So what if Accelerator already has all sound reverted away from him from the very beginning?

And why he would do that?

 

[Scrlk666777]

Why wouldn't he? This is Accelerator we are talking about here, Pre-Headshot at that. I mean any little annoyance had him use this application of his ability.

So would it still work if Accelerator can't hear it? and also does Mogura usually start with "Quiet"?

 

[Malox1696]

im sorry, isn't this a stomp ? She can deny any attack becoming practically invulnerable, and kill accel right ?


@Oblivion Of The Endless


generally accel turned off sounds cause city and people were noisy in the city

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She doesnt start with it, she usually starts with Combine Everything and Nothing

Yes, blocking the sound would work, but Accel like...never does that ,and he would still have to acknowledge that said ability works by speaking first

 

[Guardspace]

Mogura never really used this in manga, this is from profesor who use her power

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Mogura never really used this in manga, this is from profesor who use her power

But she can still use it

 

[Scrlk666777]

She doesnt start with it, she usually starts with Combine Everything and Nothing
Yes, blocking the sound would work, but Accel like...never does that ,and he would still have to acknowledge that said ability works by speaking

What do you mean he's never done it? He did that in OT 5 because an argument annoyed him. It was said he turns the sound off when sleeping so nothing disturbs him and also did it in the hospital just to read a book.

This is more Pre-headshot's thing though.

Again this is pre-headshot Accelerator we are talking about. I doubt he would care how her powers work since at that point in the story he still believed that he was near invincible. This might be his downfall in the battle though.

I'm more interested in her existence erasure because I think she should win with this.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Her EE comes from erasing attacks, not people

Also, Im pretty sure Accel wont start a battle with the first thing being blocking the vector of sounds

 

[Scrlk666777]

Oh right.

He would, at least this Accelerator. Post-Headshot, definately wouldn't because he knows he's not nearly as invinciable as he first liked to believed. Pre-headshot Accelerator though is a different story.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean, how many battles he actually started with that?

 

[Malox1696]

Her EE comes from erasing attacks, not people
Also, Im pretty sure Accel wont start a battle with the first thing being blocking the vector of sounds

she can still kill him with silence right ?

yea im sure he won't, just bringing context on why he brought the argument

anyway accel attack don't work making this a stomp

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

she can still kill him with silence right ?

Yes

 

[Scrlk666777]

I mean, how many battles he actually started with that?

And how many times does Mogura use "Quiet"?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ive already answered that, she never uses but there is a possibility still. She starts with Combine Everything or Nothing, which still works on accel

 

[Scrlk666777]

You didn't answer the question. That was what she starts with not whether she uses "quiet" reguarly or not.

Also what is combine everything or nothing?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She basically never uses Quiet

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Also what is combine everything or nothing?

• Combine Everything: Kugurugi "slips" while attacking, and takes on the properties of "everything" around her, and "combines" them. One of the uses allows her to take on the physical attributes of those around her, such as when she uses it to combine the strength of both her opponent and all of the bystanders near her into focused and explosive hits (See Note 2).
• Nothing: When an opponent tries to attack or "confront" Kugurugi, their attacks are turned into "nothing." This makes her very hard to damage directly. She compares its functionality to Kumagawa's All Fiction, in that her ability makes it so that nothing ever happened; Nothing has changed. When a weapon or tool is used against her, that weapon will be erased, or reverted to as if it was never drawn to attack. She has not used this ability to directly erase her targets before, and it is unknown if she is incapable or merely chooses not to

 

[Scrlk666777]

She basically never uses Quiet

I'm confused here. So Mogura can use an attack she never uses and it's fine but Accelerator can't start with something that he at least does use in Pre-headshot. I don't think it quite works like that.

Is "Quiet" her only real win against Accelerator?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She can use.....but she wont, its just that simple

I dont know tbh

 

[Guardspace]

Besides "Quiet", I underestimate "Nothing" and think it can really may be stomp if accelerator don't have way to attack her.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Besides "Quiet", I underestimate "Nothing" and think it can really may be stomp if accelerator don't have way to attack her.

If Mogura's "Quiet" is out of the question due to her never using it. Does she have another win-con against Accelerator?

Because while "Nothing" possibly means Accelerator can do nothing against her. Can Mogura do anything against Accelerator that doesn't include "Quiet"?

@Oblivion of the endless

Exactly. She never uses it. It doesn't really matter if she can use it, it's the fact that she won't and has never used it that's the main point here.

 

[InfiniteSped]

If neither can beat the other and it drags on for a while, she'd probably use it at some point.

 

[Guardspace]

If Mogura's "Quiet" is out of the question due to her never using it. Does she have another win-con against Accelerator?

Because while "Nothing" possibly means Accelerator can do nothing against her. Can Mogura do anything against Accelerator that doesn't include "Quiet"?

Mogura can combine physical abilities from her oponents like somehow change fire to explosion, but don't know that could work with vectors


I don't have active for few hours. If somebody confirmed stomp that can be closed.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Explosions won't work on Accelerator.

 

[Scrlk666777]

If neither can beat the other and it drags on for a while, she'd probably use it at some point.

She never uses it. Never means never.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Does she have some actual reason to not use it? Even if she never uses it normally, if neither can harm each other, she's gonna use it at some point, even if they just stare at each other for a few hours first. She ain't gonna sit there forever and never use an ability that could deal with him.

 

[Scrlk666777]

It doesn't matter if she has a reason to use it or not. The simple fact remains that she never uses it. If she had used it but rarely or even once, it would have been a different story because then there would be a chance of her using it but never means never.

 

[InfiniteSped]

If she does have the power, she'll surely it as some point. She doesn't have any issues against specifically using that one, afaik.

You're acting like she'll go:

"Man, I can't harm this guy at all. I could use one of my powers that instantly kills my opponent . . . nah, I'll just sit here until I die of old age. "

 

[Scrlk666777]

No, I'm acting like she never uses it in character. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what she might do. It matters what she does in character.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Well, characters can eventually use their best abilities even if its not in character

Medaka is one of them. She literally never used All Fiction for the whole series until she had to eventually use it on Iihiko

 

[Scrlk666777]

Yes, but at least Medaka actually did use it.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Show me her refusing to use it after being in a stalemate for several hours/days/years. >_>