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SCP Discussion Thread

Alexander said:
then the next levels are??
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We don't know
We just know two things
First: difference between Tier VI and Tier is bigger than Tier V and the rest, and so on.
Second: Samsara archived Tier 6 and Incarna (Daughter of 05-1 and Administrator) archived Tier 256,713, become the embodiment of everything
 
Rabbit2002 said:
We don't know
We just know two things
First: difference between Tier VI and Tier is bigger than Tier V and the rest, and so on.
Second: Samsara archived Tier 6 and Incarna (Daughter of 05-1 and Administrator) archived Tier 256,713, become the embodiment of everything
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the infosphere,is literraly what just placeholder say,the infosphere is everything,is every patasphere,is every noosphere,all of information,is in the infosphere.
 
EndlessWords said:
Yes, that's right, there should be 4 levels of inaccessible transcendence. I'm not an SCP expert but it seems to me that the transcendences are like this:

Narrative Stack = 1-A+
Noosphere = high 1-A (first inaccessible transcendence)
Patasphere = 0 (second inaccessible transcendence)
Proxyverse = 0 (third inaccessible transcendence)
True Authors = 0 (fourth inaccessible transcendence)
Universe Prime = 0 (is not yet on the wiki)
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If noosphere is going get upgraded to baseline tier 0, then it'll be like this:

SCP-8500 = High 1-A (infinite layers into it or High 1-A+)

SCP-8500 = baseline 0 (peak of the Hierarchy)

Noosphere = baseline 0 (first inaccessible transcendence)

Patasphere = 0 (second inaccessible transcendence)

Proxyverse = 0 (third inaccessible transcendence)

True Authors = 0 (fourth inaccessible transcendence)

Universe Prime = 0 (is not yet on the wiki)
 
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Gasper said:
If noosphere is going get upgraded to baseline tier 0, then it'll be like this:

SCP-8500 = High 1-A (infinite layers into it or High 1-A+)

SCP-8500 = baseline 0 (peak of the Hierarchy)

Noosphere = baseline 0 (first inaccessible transcendence)

Patasphere = 0 (second inaccessible transcendence)

Proxyverse = 0 (third inaccessible transcendence)

True Authors = 0 (fourth inaccessible transcendence)

Universe Prime = 0 (is not yet on the wiki)
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SCP-8500 doesn't exist because series 9 isn't open yet. None of your past comments have made any sense to me. The Noosphere isn't tier 0 based on containing mathematics because merely containing the ideas of something doesn't mean you have an equivalent dimensionality to it. Also, the currently accepted transcendences are like this, based on this CRT:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to Low 1-A (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while Acidverse has the highest known dimensionality at uncountable infinity)
  2. Kaktusverse Narrative Stack = 1-A+ (Though this structure is exclusive to the Kaktusverse, the Noosphere exists in every canon and its common rank depends on transcending this structure)
  3. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  6. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  7. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  9. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  10. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  11. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
SCP-8500 doesn't exist because series 9 isn't open yet. None of your past comments have made any sense to me. The Noosphere isn't tier 0 based on containing mathematics because merely containing the ideas of something doesn't mean you have an equivalent dimensionality to it. Also, the currently accepted transcendences are like this, based on this CRT:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to Low 1-A (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while Acidverse has the highest known dimensionality at uncountable infinity)
  2. Kaktusverse Narrative Stack = 1-A+ (Though this structure is exclusive to the Kaktusverse, the Noosphere exists in every canon and its common rank depends on transcending this structure)
  3. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  6. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  7. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  9. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  10. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  11. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
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I keep wondering who are the 10 most powerful in the EN. And by the way, that map is canon or it is not canon.
 
Alexander said:
I keep wondering who are the 10 most powerful in the EN. And by the way, that map is canon or it is not canon.
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We assembled that map based on the hierarchies given, so every component is technically canon.
 
Alexander said:
I keep wondering who are the 10 most powerful in the EN. And by the way, that map is canon or it is not canon.
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Probably SCP-2747/SCP-6747-C, since it would scale beyond the Authors and transcend any logical transdual system because of it.

IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
SCP-8500 doesn't exist because series 9 isn't open yet. None of your past comments have made any sense to me. The Noosphere isn't tier 0 based on containing mathematics because merely containing the ideas of something doesn't mean you have an equivalent dimensionality to it. Also, the currently accepted transcendences are like this, based on this CRT:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to Low 1-A (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while Acidverse has the highest known dimensionality at uncountable infinity)
  2. Kaktusverse Narrative Stack = 1-A+ (Though this structure is exclusive to the Kaktusverse, the Noosphere exists in every canon and its common rank depends on transcending this structure)
  3. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  6. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  7. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  9. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  10. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  11. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
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Isn't the SRE also infinite inaccessible transcendences above tier 0? if so then Universe Prime might take over the Wiki and that's only the EN Branch.
 
Kirinator07 said:
Probably SCP-2747/SCP-6747-C, since it would scale beyond the Authors and transcend any logical transdual system because of it.


Isn't the SRE also infinite inaccessible transcendences above tier 0? if so then Universe Prime might take over the Wiki and that's only the EN Branch.
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ok
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
SCP-8500 doesn't exist because series 9 isn't open yet. None of your past comments have made any sense to me. The Noosphere isn't tier 0 based on containing mathematics because merely containing the ideas of something doesn't mean you have an equivalent dimensionality to it. Also, the currently accepted transcendences are like this, based on this CRT:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to Low 1-A (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while Acidverse has the highest known dimensionality at uncountable infinity)
  2. Kaktusverse Narrative Stack = 1-A+ (Though this structure is exclusive to the Kaktusverse, the Noosphere exists in every canon and its common rank depends on transcending this structure)
  3. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  6. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  7. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  9. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  10. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  11. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
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Sorry i meant 5800.

Noosphere should be baseline tier 0 because of it.
 
Gasper said:
Sorry i meant 5800.

Noosphere should be baseline tier 0 because of it.
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5800 scales to the Noosphere, not the other way around. Merely containing some form of mathematical hierarchy isn't tierable without further information. It also only contains uncountables prior to the inaccessible cardinal, which is solidly less impressive than the Noosphere already is.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
5800 scales to the Noosphere, not the other way around. Merely containing some form of mathematical hierarchy isn't tierable without further information. It also only contains uncountables prior to the inaccessible cardinal, which is solidly less impressive than the Noosphere already is.
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I feel like SCP-5800 has a similar hierarchy to the one SCP-3812 is currently ascending, the realm of SCP-5800 is High 1-A but the hierarchy contained within it is 1-A+ due to infinite uncountable alephs.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
5800 scales to the Noosphere, not the other way around. Merely containing some form of mathematical hierarchy isn't tierable without further information. It also only contains uncountables prior to the inaccessible cardinal, which is solidly less impressive than the Noosphere already is.
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5800 is infinite layers into High 1-A now. Because it contains infinite hierarchy of alephs which is 1-A+ and then infinite hierarchy of concepts above that.
 
Gasper said:
5800 is infinite layers into High 1-A now. Because it contains infinite hierarchy of alephs which is 1-A+ and then infinite hierarchy of concepts above that.
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There's no mention of an infinite hierarchy of concepts, just concepts that are as big as uncountable infinite alephs since each idea would have a hierarchy of its own dictated by its size.
 
Kirinator07 said:
There's no mention of an infinite hierarchy of concepts, just concepts that are as big as uncountable infinite alephs since each idea would have a hierarchy of its own dictated by its size.
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Is there a way to get human noosphere to baseline 0?
 
Alexander said:
those are tiers of conceptual things,0 is reality,1 is conceptual in low level,4 is scp-6820,5 is the foundation in the future.
imagine the next levels
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4 being 6820 is official? Was it stated or is this assumption?

Also, is this already accepted on the wiki or is this new information?

Because that would amp scp verse even more High into tier 0.
 
Gasper said:
4 being 6820 is official? Was it stated or is this assumption?

Also, is this already accepted on the wiki or is this new information?

Because that would amp scp verse even more High into tier 0.
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Tier IV: Anti-NoosphericEntities existing above standard conceptualization.Unknown; encompasses all ideas and objects which humanity cannot currently perceive or entertain in the abstract.
 
Gasper said:
How far into tier 0 would universe prime get?
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It would transcend the hierarchy of inaccessible cardinals as a whole and thus be unreachable to them in the same way the first inaccessible is unreachable to any aleph hierarchy.
 
Gasper said:
Are all of those tiers contained inside one narrative?
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No. Metafoundation has infinite narratives extending in both directions; Swann is the layers directly above the SCP multiverse. Universe Prime would subsume the stack as a whole.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
No. Metafoundation has infinite narratives extending in both directions; Swann is the layers directly above the SCP multiverse. Universe Prime would subsume the stack as a whole.
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So if i understood that correctly, infinite narratives that are infinite layers into tier 0 would be somewhere inside of those 200,000+ tiers? And universe prime is beyond them?
 
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