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SCP Discussion Thread 3
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If this goes through, everyone will be just a bunch of High 1-Bs
While Swann would likely be 1-A, since... it sees the entire Foundationverse as a story, putting it at High 1-B would be like saying i am limited by the dimensions contained in the cosmology of a fictional story i created
But i doubt this will go through so... Eh
While Swann would likely be 1-A, since... it sees the entire Foundationverse as a story, putting it at High 1-B would be like saying i am limited by the dimensions contained in the cosmology of a fictional story i created
But i doubt this will go through so... Eh
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@Ultima The same reasoning could be used even with this current level of dimensions. Yet it isn't. All this shows is that Swann transcends more dimensions than he used to.
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Except that the verse is actually confirmed to have infinite-dimensional stuff now, and regardless, the Tier of characters such as Swann still depends on feats and dimensional scale (despite their natural transcendence over all concepts and stuff) and... It turns out we do have a statement that is basically the peak of dimensional tiering, so it is pretty safe to assume Swann isn't bound by the dimensions of something he literally sees as a fictional story (a.k.a The Foundationverse literally doesn't exist in its perspective), again, unless you want to say that i am bound by the dimensions contained in a story i wrote
But the Infinite-D thingy isn't going through to there is no point arguing. ovo
But the Infinite-D thingy isn't going through to there is no point arguing. ovo
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Apparently, content mods revert anything that they don't consider legitimate mere minutes, at best hours after it's edited in.
The same guy who wrote this in vandalized a page, it was edited out a minute later lol
They do seem to consider this legitimate.
The same guy who wrote this in vandalized a page, it was edited out a minute later lol
They do seem to consider this legitimate.
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"So it's pretty safe to assume Swann isn't bound by the dimensions [...]" That's the leap in logic I have a problem with. Swann may transcend the infinite dimensions of the Foundation, but nothing is saying that he isn't bound by any higher dimensions. Simply being a higher amount of dimensions doesn't change that.
And there is no "peak" to dimensional tiering. It may be the highest in our system, but High 1-B isn't any closer to 1-A than 11-B is. You can always be stronger, more transcendent of a High 1-B without being 1-A.
And there is no "peak" to dimensional tiering. It may be the highest in our system, but High 1-B isn't any closer to 1-A than 11-B is. You can always be stronger, more transcendent of a High 1-B without being 1-A.
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Pretty much just waiting on Azzy at this point.
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To be fair the High 1-B statement is hard to debunk. The only question lies in whether or not it should be accepted and the questions regarding 1-A.
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If Azzy accepts, due to Kep, we can start revisions immediately. Problem... Is there anything to debunk though ?
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The very existence of the statement in the Foundation's website is controversial enough to warrant a thread, let alone the upgrades themselves.
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There is nothing to debunk.
There is controversy, though. Anyone can edit collabs. Actually, i'm nclose to 100% sure that the reason why the guy edited this into the 2722 section was because it is a collab, and collabs don't need to be approved by the content mods or by the critters.
So he wouldn't have to worry about it being torn down.
Basically:
SCP articles = Document Logs written by the author > Tales > Collab Edits.
However, we obviously still accept collabs (SCP-682's feats), so I don't know.
There is controversy, though. Anyone can edit collabs. Actually, i'm nclose to 100% sure that the reason why the guy edited this into the 2722 section was because it is a collab, and collabs don't need to be approved by the content mods or by the critters.
So he wouldn't have to worry about it being torn down.
Basically:
SCP articles = Document Logs written by the author > Tales > Collab Edits.
However, we obviously still accept collabs (SCP-682's feats), so I don't know.
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Honestly, this whole ordeal reminds me a bit too much of people asking very specific VS Debating-related questions to authors.
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So, should a thread be made regarding this High 1-B statement and its controversy? or we just wait for Lord Azathoth to debunk the undebunkeable and forget this statement ever existed
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Everyone talking about infinite dimensional stuff, and here I'm wondering if a profile can be made for Richard C. Normus and his clown pose. ovo
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Technically, him editing it in for vsdebating is just a theory we have. His edit reason, according to the log of the page, is "I had this idea yesterday. Thought it'd be good to add".
Anyway...
Anyway...
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It'd be best to discuss this further in a thread rather than keep it on this one, yes.
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Infinitely transcending a High 1-B threshold does not make you a 1-A like other tiers.
Look at the Downstreamers, Ga or the Crimson King to find out why.
This even applies to transcending all of space and time, or being beyond spatio-temporal dimensions.
Unless the concept of dimensions is transcended, or it's made very apparent that they are unlimited by dimensions, being beyond infinite, infinitely infinite, or indescribably infinite dimensions doesn't make you anything more than a higher end High 1-B. However, I'm not so sure we should even count the High 1-B stuff. This sounds more like a case of 1-B, possibly higher to me.
Look at the Downstreamers, Ga or the Crimson King to find out why.
This even applies to transcending all of space and time, or being beyond spatio-temporal dimensions.
Unless the concept of dimensions is transcended, or it's made very apparent that they are unlimited by dimensions, being beyond infinite, infinitely infinite, or indescribably infinite dimensions doesn't make you anything more than a higher end High 1-B. However, I'm not so sure we should even count the High 1-B stuff. This sounds more like a case of 1-B, possibly higher to me.
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"Infinite dimensions that are stacked on layers of even larger infinities"
Sounds like textbook High 1-B.
Sounds like textbook High 1-B.
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Does Scarlet King not have a profile here yet?
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Weekly is working on it.
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@Aeyu
Well, i am not saying that Swann should be 1-A because he transcends infinite-dimensions
But because the entire verse, and all of its concepts, are just nonexistent fiction to him, which he can modify and change at will
But i understand not accepting that as 1-A
and this isn't going to go through anyway so, :c
Well, i am not saying that Swann should be 1-A because he transcends infinite-dimensions
But because the entire verse, and all of its concepts, are just nonexistent fiction to him, which he can modify and change at will
But i understand not accepting that as 1-A
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If the SCP-wiki accepts it, we will have little say on the matter.
This warrants its own thread, tho.
This warrants its own thread, tho.
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I wonder if Weekly is willing to make a Herman Fuller profile. He can open Ways, if I remember correctly.
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I have a lot of profiles to make, i should just make a sandbox so you guys can put suggestions in so i can keep track of them
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I would love to help, but I'm on phone 95% of the time and my internet is... [REDACTED] ovo
Plus, I haven't really done a profile before.
Plus, I haven't really done a profile before.
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We need a Nibbles profile.
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Nibles (Toonforce) >>>>>>>> Tom >=< Jerry >>> Nibbles (Normal)
Wrong show? Yeah.
Wrong show? Yeah.
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If no one's going to do it, I may try my hands at making a profile for me, SCP-426.
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@Ultima
This would just be another case of At least High 1-B then, if this went through.
For instance, the Crimson King transcends the entirety of dimensional existence and its concepts, but it's unknown if he's undimensioned to the level of Gan. He's kind of in-between that threshold, or right on top of it. This is sort of the same kind of thing. The Downstreamers also transcend dimensional existence and its concepts, but not necessarily the abstract nature of dimensions, which is necessitative for this sort of tier.
This would just be another case of At least High 1-B then, if this went through.
For instance, the Crimson King transcends the entirety of dimensional existence and its concepts, but it's unknown if he's undimensioned to the level of Gan. He's kind of in-between that threshold, or right on top of it. This is sort of the same kind of thing. The Downstreamers also transcend dimensional existence and its concepts, but not necessarily the abstract nature of dimensions, which is necessitative for this sort of tier.
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Because talking about an existence beyond the explicit concept of physical dimensions does enter the philosophical. Only abstract logic, ultra-advanced math and philosophy even dare to address the aspatial and atemporal.
And 1-A is simple. It's defined by it's definition, which is pretty short.
Beings beyond the concept of dimensions.
However, addressing a threshold of where High 1-B ends and 1-A begins is complicated. It's led to revisions of the meaning of 1-A and discussions about a Low 1-A tier in the past, both of which have been extremely contentious, and what I've mentioned above is currently the accepted method for dealing with these situations. 1-A needs to be quite an explicit thing and not something inferred.
And 1-A is simple. It's defined by it's definition, which is pretty short.
Beings beyond the concept of dimensions.
However, addressing a threshold of where High 1-B ends and 1-A begins is complicated. It's led to revisions of the meaning of 1-A and discussions about a Low 1-A tier in the past, both of which have been extremely contentious, and what I've mentioned above is currently the accepted method for dealing with these situations. 1-A needs to be quite an explicit thing and not something inferred.
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@Aeyu
Fair enough
meep
Fair enough
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Otherwise, I think you'd get lot more people trying to boost their favorite character up to 1A. So it has to have some layer of complexity and detail. One reality warper may not be equal to another superior one. The devil's in the details.SITHISIT said:
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@Aeyu
No
Peem
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No
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