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Scp 682 vs kaguya

@Kaltias They are quite literally authors of all of fiction, but not authors of REALITY. They cannot decide what abilities things have in reality.

It's similar, but not exactly the same, heck, that's why 2786 is only 9-B despite seeing the SCP universe as equally fiction as fictional stories and DVDs.

Conceptualizing is important since it means it's not something logically impossible from the axioms (a 3d being harming a 4d being through brute force).

That's a good point about the soul hax, but it seems like it's a special case for beings which are higher-D with at least one temporal dimension. As affecting a soul seems like it should be affecting an entity independent of spatial dimensions, but still dependent on temporal dimensions. But maybe there is a further point to be made here.

Luke wouldn't effect TOAA because TOAA is omnipotent, omnipotence includes mind resist. Unless we want to be super strict and say TOAA isn't omnipotent since you can't ever do a showing of being truly omnipotent, but that's irrelevant.

Hax certainly has a scale, but I don't think dimensions is always a sufficiently good enough separator for hax being inapplicable. Why should a 4-dimensional being's concept be considered impossible for a 3-dimensional being's concept manip to affect? There needs to be a good reason for why that hax can't cross through dimensions. Why should an extra spatial dimension stop a 4-d being's time manip from working on a 5-d being?
 
1) It's light speed

2) The shadow of a human moves as fast as the person projecting it
 
@Kal

Shadows spread out at infinite speed.

It's also a joke. I'm obviously not saying a 2-D shadow is >> a 3-D human
 
But it doesn't.

If the Sun suddenly went black, we would realize it only after 8 minutes because we would still see the light that it was emitting prior to that.
 
Yes they do. A shadow can be projected instantly on the surface of Mars several hours before light reaches it. A shadow isn't information, so it isn't bound by relativity.
 
DMB 1 said:
Can we shift this "higher dimensionality" thing to another thread?
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I'm okay with this, or with it shifting to a message wall.
 
Kaltias said:
PaChi2 said:
Im against using something considered as fiction as proof that you are of higher dimensions.

Triangles are not fiction, bois.
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You got it backwards.
A reality-fiction interaction can be akin to a higher dimension (although it's case by case)

A higher dimension doesn't necessarily include a reality-fiction interaction.
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It wasnt strictly directed at what you said. Its just my feelings over justifying some characters being of 5D because they see 4D world as fictional. And that's more common than what I'd like it to be.

"Oh yeah, this character says that everything feels like a dream to him, its totally from higher dimension".

Bull****

Ontopic: Kaguya is dumb. She wont mindhax 682 ever. She loses.
 
Kaguya has knowlege of its adaptation, and kaguya is scared of death, and what else would she try? Shs knows that nothing else expet trying to keep hitting it indipendently for 24h
 
Kepekley23 said:
Yes they do. A shadow can be projected instantly on the surface of Mars several hours before light reaches it. A shadow isn't information, so it isn't bound by relativity.
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a shadows in the lack of light, a gap, thus saying that shadows are faster than light, is like saying that a room goes dark before the lightbulb turns off
 
Overlord775 said:
Kepekley23 said:
Yes they do. A shadow can be projected instantly on the surface of Mars several hours before light reaches it. A shadow isn't information, so it isn't bound by relativity.
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a shadows in the lack of light, a gap, thus saying that shadows are faster than light, is like saying that a room goes dark before the lightbulb turns off
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No, it's because the absence of light (I.E a shadow) on Mars would 'appear' faster than light from the sun would get there.

Better explanation here.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Kaguya has knowlege of its adaptation, and kaguya is scared of death, and what else would she try? Shs knows that nothing else expet trying to keep hitting it indipendently for 24h
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Kaguya is stupid anyway. She never tried to mind hax:

Sakura / Kakashi / Obito (who was fodder at the time) and use them as hostages against naruto and sasuke. Heck, she was following Zetsu's ordering during the whole fight because otherwise she wouldnt even had thought of separating Sasuke and naruto (lol).

Also, she is willing to kill. She will go for the kill and try to destroy 682 in every way she knows, failing, and losing.
 
@PaChi2 I brought up that "Characters getting higher tiers due to perceiving reality below as fiction" thing in a dedicated thread. The rest of this post is a rough approximation of the justification for it I got from Ultima Reality and DontTalkDT.

The reason for it being accepted, is that, if that character has a relationship with that universe like humans do with fiction, it's less like seeing a drawing on paper, and more like perceiving a story in a book; a non-physical abstraction without any notion of dimensions in your reality.

While this isn't a strict mathematical equivalence to hopping up a dimension, very few works of fiction would fit into our way of tiering if we made it require strict equivalences, so instead we use qualitatively superior transcendences instead. Such as reality-fiction, or reality being an apple on a tree of a higher-plane.
 
Kaltias said:
But it doesn't.
If the Sun suddenly went black, we would realize it only after 8 minutes because we would still see the light that it was emitting prior to that.
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While the second statement is true, that's because the sudden absence of the sunlight isn't a shadow.

If you were able to project a bright enough light as to create a massive shadow of your finger on the surface of, say, Jupiter, you could wave that finger back and forth from one edge of Jupiter to the other, and the shadow of your finger on Jupiter would move at the exact same time, in the exact same time frame, the tip of it crossing hundreds of thousands of kilometers in a fraction of a second.

Shadows are the absence of matter and information (photons); as a result, shadows are not bound by the laws of relativity, because shadows have no mass in the first place.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Dude? You do know that powers that affect tiers can be restricted right?
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No, they can't.

You are literally impairing the power of a character for the fight to even take place.

It won't be added.
 
PaChi2 said:
Kaguya is stupid anyway. She never tried to mind hax:

Sakura / Kakashi / Obito (who was fodder at the time) and use them as hostages against naruto and sasuke. Heck, she was following Zetsu's ordering during the whole fight because otherwise she wouldnt even had thought of separating Sasuke and naruto (lol).

Also, she is willing to kill. She will go for the kill and try to destroy 682 in every way she knows, failing, and losing.
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It... It was already active, and they blatantly resisted it, zetsu himself knew that they resist it, why would she have tried? They have been broken out of it, so it simply wouldnt work anymore.

No, she knows 682s adaptation powers, willing is not wanting, and the fact that a being can adapt to nearly anything because it isnt part of space time is enough for her to assume that hitting it really hard will not work. She wasnt the smartest, but she wasnt dumb to the point where she would try to hit an immortal till it dies. There is a reason she didnt face toneri you know.
 
Holyhotsauce said:
No, they can't.

You are literally impairing the power of a character for the fight to even take place.

It won't be added.
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They can, which is why weiss sumons could be restricted
 
>Blatantly resisted it.

>Sakura.

Okay.

Assuming IT is the only genjutsu she knows, why would she cast it against a single lizard when its purpose is to enslave the whole world? And according to you she cannot cast it twice or use anything else.... so... what?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Holyhotsauce said:
No, they can't.

You are literally impairing the power of a character for the fight to even take place.

It won't be added.
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They can, which is why weiss sumons could be restricted
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Adding this thread is like adding a match like "Character X vs Character Y but Character X has both his legs broken". The result would be completely inaccurate and not notable at all.
 
No, they can't.

You are literally impairing the power of a character for the fight to even take place.

It won't be added.

Wrong

Powers that affect the tier can be restricted, Hax based stuff can't.
 
Gargoyle One said:
No, they can't.
You are literally impairing the power of a character for the fight to even take place.

It won't be added.
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Wrong
Powers that affect the tier can be restricted, Hax based stuff can't.

His adaptation is his hax stuff.
 
And its ability to grant him hax isnt restricted, only its ability to give higher AP after a certain extent
 
PaChi2 said:
>Blatantly resisted it.

>Sakura.

Okay.

Assuming IT is the only genjutsu she knows, why would she cast it against a single lizard when its purpose is to enslave the whole world? And according to you she cannot cast it twice or use anything else.... so... what?
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After she was broke out of it, incredibly enough, it didnt work, so yes.

And firstly, it can be cast multiple times, but once someones is broken out of it they dont get affected by it, kishimoto ass puls here are very present

Secondly, she knows its ability to adapt to anything she has but to either keep destroying it indefinitly or to mindhax it
 
To those saying Kaguya would mind hax 682:

  • 682 doesnt have a mind in the traditional sense, it has a disembodied consciousness. 682 is a shell controlled from the outside. Said consciousness is 1-B.
  • The only instance of actual 3-D mind hax 682 has been experimented on with no unforseen circumstances was the test with SCP-688, which 682 was outright unaffected by despite being able to mindhax anyone with a psionic resistance less than 97, with normal humans having a natural resistance of only 24. It was later stated that 682's resistance is immensely higher than this.
  • SCP-999 was able to affect 682 literally because its another child of the Scarlet King, this is even reflected in the profile itself.
  • 682 outright reflected SCP-963 which was attempting to erase its consciousness, and the millions mind hax was performed by a knockoff copy of SCP-963 with only a part of the original's power.
 
To clarify, I wasn't taking the hardline stance that Kaguya WOULD mind hax 682, but that I was unsure.

I'm not sure how I feel about 682 automatically lolnoping all mindhax below 164884 dimensions due to 1-B consciousness, and I couldn't see a direct parallel between Kaguya's mindhax and 682's resistances to conclude whether it would or wouldn't work. Mostly because I'm completely unfamiliar with Kaguya's character and feats.
 
she put all of humanity under an illusion made to reflect all of their wishes while sucking phisical and mental energy out of them
 
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