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SCP 3812 is the most powerful character in all of fiction,change my mind.

Hobobox123 said:
SCP 3812 is the most powerful character in all of fiction,change my mind.
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i want to challenge you- what about touma "imagine breaker" being able to neg 11-D forms and stats and he could also beat yogiri (debatable) but still. how would you say it stacks?
 
i want to challenge you- what about touma "imagine breaker" being able to neg 11-D forms and stats and he could also beat yogiri (debatable) but still. how would you say it stacks?

Anything above 11-D beats him, as well as anything considerably faster than he is.
 
Literally look at any tier 0 - hell, any High 1-A - and there's your answer. 3812 isn't the strongest character in fiction.
 
Still, a 1-A vs a tier 0? This isn't even a comparision. Scp-3812 while formidable, isn't nearly as powerful as people such as law of idenity or the one-above all
 
The Mathiverse is infinitelly superior to 3812, any thing and everything you could think of the Mathiverse trascends, it trascends all ideas that can be conceptualized through mathematic, all possible geometries, manifolds and numbers, as well as all subsets, supersets and power sets thereof, alongside all formal descriptions of all informal structures

It trascends the concept of trascension itself
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
i want to challenge you- what about touma "imagine breaker" being able to neg 11-D forms and stats and he could also beat yogiri (debatable) but still. how would you say it stacks?
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Anything above 11-D beats him, as well as anything considerably faster than he is.
valid point. respect
 
Have you seen recent events?
wha happened recently besides them demoting law of identity (which shouldnt have happened)

Reality being Azathoth's dream was disproven.
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
Have you seen recent events?
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wha happened recently besides them demoting law of identity (which shouldnt have happened) Reality being Azathoth's dream was disproven.
oh really then he might be demoted then since he isnt outerversal in that sense tho is still a heigharchy in cthullu tho.
 
Have you seen recent events?wha happened recently besides them demoting law of identity (which shouldn't have happened) Reality being Azathoth's dream was disproven.
Oh really then he might be demoted then since he isnt outerversal in that sense tho is still a hierarchy in cthulhu tho.

He just goes to at least Outer God tier.
 
The reason people commonly say 3812 is the strongest is, because, for some reason, so many people view reality-fiction interaction as a real thing, and believe 3812 can actually transcend both fiction and real life. Which is just ridiculous. To answer the question, he's not the strongest because he only transcends layers of narratives that transcend a narrative containing uncountably infinite dimensions. Even when he transcends all narratives, which I've recently been questioning if they're actually infinite and have been thinking of making a CRT, he'll only be considered 1-A+ for superseding infinite narratives superseding an uncountably infinite dimensional narrative, which is Low 1-A. Even with him continuing to supersede himself afterwards, he'll never reach a High 1-A level, let alone 0, which several characters are at. Still, 3812 at his peak is easily top tier, even in a fictional standpoint, and should not be taken lightly.
 
RinneItachi said:
The reason people commonly say 3812 is the strongest is, because, for some reason, so many people view reality-fiction interaction as a real thing, and believe 3812 can actually transcend both fiction and real life. Which is just ridiculous. To answer the question, he's not the strongest because he only transcends layers of narratives that transcend a narrative containing uncountably infinite dimensions. Even when he transcends all narratives, which I've recently been questioning if they're actually infinite and have been thinking of making a CRT, he'll only be considered 1-A+ for superseding infinite narratives superseding an uncountably infinite dimensional narrative, which is Low 1-A. Even with him continuing to supersede himself afterwards, he'll never reach a High 1-A level, let alone 0, which several characters are at. Still, 3812 at his peak is easily top tier, even in a fictional standpoint, and should not be taken lightly.
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who do you think is the most powerful character in fiction then?
 
pretty sure all the outer gods are getting high 1-A rating (possibly even tier-0). azzy and yog are staying tier 0, also the azathoth dream thing was not disapproven, only a different interpretation was made. i am pretty sure by the end of that thread most of everyone agreed that azathoth was the top of the CM higharchy still due to azzy's explanation.
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
He just goes to at least Outer God tier.
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Actually, the current consensus is that Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth are more like equals with the former being the pseudo-nucleus and the latter being the all-encompassing expanse of all being and existence. Even then, the Outer Gods themselves are getting two keys; one for the eldritch, fractional entities which is High 1-A and the other for the archetypal, changeless beings unified beyond all perspective which is 0.
 
Actually, the current consensus is that Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth are more like equals with the former being the pseudo-nucleus and the latter being the all-encompassing expanse of all being and existence. Even then, the Outer Gods themselves are getting two keys; one for the eldritch, fractional entities which is High 1-A and the other for the archetypal, changeless beings unified beyond all perspective which is 0.

It's just that Outer God tier is now 0.
 
Hobobox123 said:
who do you think is the most powerful character in fiction then?
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The Mathiverse. In any case, any tier 0 is incomparably superior to 3812. There are currently several tier 0's and there are about to be a few more with the Outer Gods, who, even in their much weaker states, are going to be High 1-A, which is still massively superior to anything 3812 can hope of reaching.

Maybe if there's a statement about the SCPverse Tree of Knowledge being tier 1-A, then 3812 could hit tier 0 at it's peak, which would give it a big boost, but it would still be on a lower level of tier 0 than what's necessary to be anywhere near the strongest fictional character.
 
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