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Scaling Boros to Orochi
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Tbf it's kinda impossible to say if it's really a lowball or not when there's only a statement. The real baseline for surface busting is 138 petatons. It's what other series who also have a "destroy the surface" statement use.
Sure, you can say that since a lot of vaguely Boros level characters have feats mich higher than CSRC trying a more impressive assumption is ok, but i'm unsure to what point you can use that to justify trying different calc methods to increase the results of a very vague feat.
Sure, you can say that since a lot of vaguely Boros level characters have feats mich higher than CSRC trying a more impressive assumption is ok, but i'm unsure to what point you can use that to justify trying different calc methods to increase the results of a very vague feat.
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"Saitama called one of them a good opponent and the other a baby splashing water in a tub"
"Boros's feat could be far higher due to the CSRC actually hitting the ship instead of the surface and the fact that surface destruction could be much stronger than just High 6-A"
"Boros feat didnt even happend first of all, Saitama deflected it, the attack can wipe out the earth surface, but the way to do it can varies from High 6-A to even 5-A"
"Saitama thought Orochi was nothing more than a rude kid who splashed water in a bath. Meanwhile Saitama complimented Boros multiple times which is something he has said to no one else even this far into the series."
"The reasoning for Boros scaling above Orochi is due to Saitama regarding Boros as "strong twice in their fight, when he didn't bat an eye to Orochi, and even called him a child"
"Boros' feat is only a vague statement and in no case should it be used to discredit other feats, surface destruction can be as high as High 5-A depending on how fast it is done. The 183 petatons calc is the lowest possible way to calculate Boros' feat; it would take a lot of time to destroy the surface according to it."
"Saitama treated the monster king like a child while he called Released Boros strong at least once."
"Orochi believes he is now strong enough to beat someone who could nearly kill him previously. Saitama is far more powerful in every capacity, but what he used against Orochi was nowhere near his full strength or effort—even the level he used against Boros with a Serious Punch doesn't come close. So Orochi believes he can now defeat someone far more powerful than his previous self."
"The gap between Orochi and Released Boros is described as a bratty child in a bath tub and a person actually worth paying attention to."
"released Boros is stronger than Orochi, as Saitama rated Boros as ''too strong'' while he treated orochi like a child playing in a tub"
"The High 6-A calc Boros is a lowball. And we were never able to see the true power of Boros ' attack."
Unless there is a more solid argument for not scaling Boros above Orochi, I disagree with the OP.
"Boros's feat could be far higher due to the CSRC actually hitting the ship instead of the surface and the fact that surface destruction could be much stronger than just High 6-A"
"Boros feat didnt even happend first of all, Saitama deflected it, the attack can wipe out the earth surface, but the way to do it can varies from High 6-A to even 5-A"
"Saitama thought Orochi was nothing more than a rude kid who splashed water in a bath. Meanwhile Saitama complimented Boros multiple times which is something he has said to no one else even this far into the series."
"The reasoning for Boros scaling above Orochi is due to Saitama regarding Boros as "strong twice in their fight, when he didn't bat an eye to Orochi, and even called him a child"
"Boros' feat is only a vague statement and in no case should it be used to discredit other feats, surface destruction can be as high as High 5-A depending on how fast it is done. The 183 petatons calc is the lowest possible way to calculate Boros' feat; it would take a lot of time to destroy the surface according to it."
"Saitama treated the monster king like a child while he called Released Boros strong at least once."
"Orochi believes he is now strong enough to beat someone who could nearly kill him previously. Saitama is far more powerful in every capacity, but what he used against Orochi was nowhere near his full strength or effort—even the level he used against Boros with a Serious Punch doesn't come close. So Orochi believes he can now defeat someone far more powerful than his previous self."
"The gap between Orochi and Released Boros is described as a bratty child in a bath tub and a person actually worth paying attention to."
"released Boros is stronger than Orochi, as Saitama rated Boros as ''too strong'' while he treated orochi like a child playing in a tub"
"The High 6-A calc Boros is a lowball. And we were never able to see the true power of Boros ' attack."
Unless there is a more solid argument for not scaling Boros above Orochi, I disagree with the OP.
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this is all the exact same shit. none of this is any different. You are literally saying the same thing but with different words
Already been explained in the thread
Yeah sorry literally every other verse needs to deal with using the 183 petaton calc OPM isn't special
and so planet busting can be as high as low 4-C but we don't assume that a planet busting statement is low 4-C
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I just carried over the arguments from the One punch man thread, I thought it might be useful to better situate this debate;
I already know there are counterarguments, so don't **** up.
note: No one has yet counter-argued the other arguments I gave earlier.
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yeah you don't spam the same argument ten times
there are two actual arguments in their one of which has been countered by an argument that hasn't been countered
the other is just saying we have no idea how powerful it is so we will just assume the higher ends
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Yes, I used the same argument to make the understanding clearer, I could have taken a much wider range of the same arguments, but I didn't because I know it would be an exaggeration.
Clarity, that was my aim in repeating the same argument.
Clarity, that was my aim in repeating the same argument.
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The rating after High 3-A is Low 2-C, which you did in fact suggest yourself, and not 2-C.
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Scaling Melzargard/Geryuganshoop/Groribas to Orochi based on Murata stating they stand no chance against him is poor logic.
Geryu damaging the ship is Anime-only.
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1. It's s stement that has been accepted and is noted on the wiki.
2. Just looked over that chapter again, yeah that's Manga only. Actually proves my point better as Gery can slightly damage Orochi (Has to in order to have the capacity to beat him), but can't damage the ship, while Released Boros not only damages his ship, he does quite a bit of damage.
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I don't understand how the evaporation of the bark gave you a result of 90 exaton. Show me the calculation.
My version, where I used absolutely the entire bark and split it into elements, has half the result
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Yes, I know, but what are you going to do to me?
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That was simply using the vaporization value, and then using the hollow sphere volume calculator. It is probably lower when you use the appropriate elements.
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So... Have we come to a conclusion on this topic?
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Not yet. We should get a real CSRC calc before we make any drastic changes. And I still have problems with Orochi being = or > MB Boros.
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Nothing really. I'm just pointing something out that I noticed.
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But no one disputed the fact that Boros is a true level of disaster above dragon and Orochi is a Dragon for One.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone can really dispute that. If nothing else does, that pretty much solidifies Boros is > Orochi.
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In fact, we don't even know Orochi's real threat level. What is shown in the manga refers to his restrained version, while Murata's quote referred to the version before the redraw.
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Oof. Where does that leave Orochi?
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Bro he doesn't even scale to Gaia Cannon, he scales to the earthquakes he created from pulling the energy.
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The CSRC calc is irrelevant to the actual topic of this thread.
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Dragon or Above doesn't exist in universe. So there is literally no way for Orochi to be considered that unless we get another author statement, which is highly unlikely since he already said he was Dragon or Above before the redraws. If the statement can't be used because of redraws, that doesn't mean scale Boros to Orochi.
That just means Orochi's actual rating is unknown, and no one should scale to him without good reason.
That just means Orochi's actual rating is unknown, and no one should scale to him without good reason.
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Well one of the main points is CSRC is < than Gai Canon.
That's kind of what I was thinking given the context.
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I’m neutral on the idea of scaling Boros above Orochi, although I do have to say that scaling him just because Saitama said he was strong is kinda weak evidence (especially for Released Boros, Saitama said he was strong once but then acted bored/annoyed with him for the rest of the fight).
So overall, I’m leaning towards agreeing with Damage, Rusty and the other staff that have given input here.
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- The typical “Saitama called Boros strong”, but TheRustyOne addressed that pretty throughly
- Scaling Melzargard, Geryuganshoop, and Groribas to Orochi then upscaling Boros from his generals, but that was moved to its own thread and rejected hard.
- Disaster Level scaling.
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The latest is 6-A+. But the gap between it and baseline High 6-A is 1.67x. No upscaling
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Boros' LS would also move down to Class M
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His speed justification in his Released key would also need its justification changed, but it wouldn’t be downgraded.
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Catching up with the thread, sorry if this point was dropped.
But that's the worst argument I've seen to stop scaling.
Hey, here's a thought: Narrative isn't entitled to fan calculations. Not even close.
and you can't really argue "portrayal", because shaving off the surface of the Earth would be a MUCH, MUCH more impressive visually than pulling a piece of focken magma from the core.
Narratively, Saitama considers Boros stronger than Orochi. Our math is nearly irrelevant here.
If Boros had only shown City level feats, we'd be having a different conversation.
Same applies if Saitama were to fight some 2-C character, we wouldn't backscale because it would not make sense, narratively, and mathematically.
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Caught up, I agree with Damage, Rusty, and other staff after reading through their arguments.
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In fact, the difference between the feats is not so great. In fact, they act on the same amount of mass (>10^22 kg). Only in one case it is destruction, and in the other it is a rise of hundreds of kilometers.
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Oh, so you did drop the point.
Sorry for replying then.
It's just that, the reason why it's invalid is poor interpretation of Saitama's words, if it wasn't invalid, it wouldn't be absurd to scale Boros above it just because of our math. (considering they're not too far apart)
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