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Finish reading my comment and you will understand
Nothing changes, Manga shows him doing it.
Nothing changes, Manga shows him doing it.
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Sasuke Uchiha Vs Sousuke Aizen
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Gonna post this again so Hokage doesnt lie again:
Sasuke seeing through Genjutsu casually: Chapters 383-387
Sasuke Breaks Tsukiyomi: Chapter 388
Sasuke seeing Through Genjutsu again: Chapter 461
Sasuke bouncing abilities back at the weilders: Chapter 345-346
Sharingan can see the color of Chakra containd within an idividual: Chapter 242 and 360
Sasuke seeing through Genjutsu casually: Chapters 383-387
Sasuke Breaks Tsukiyomi: Chapter 388
Sasuke seeing Through Genjutsu again: Chapter 461
Sasuke bouncing abilities back at the weilders: Chapter 345-346
Sharingan can see the color of Chakra containd within an idividual: Chapter 242 and 360
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Nothing changes, Manga shows him doing it.HokageMangaVox said:
And again, finish reading my comment instead of picking out stuff that only suits you and you will understand. i never said you cant change a future, i said you cant change a future where something never happened if it already happened before trying to make that said future.
Im talking about this specifically while your assuming I mean in general, which im not.
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Next time don't lied about it, and explain it correctly as it happen.Akiretsu said:
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Finish reading my comment and you will understand
Nothing changes, Manga shows him doing it.
And again, finish reading my comment instead of picking out stuff that only suits you and you will understand. i never said you cant change a future, i said you cant change a future where something never happened if it already happened before trying to make that said future.
Im talking about this specifically while your assuming I mean in general, which im not.
That has nothing to do with his powers, why would I adress it. No. More importantly why would you bring it up. If you knew.
Nothing changes, Manga shows him doing it.
And again, finish reading my comment instead of picking out stuff that only suits you and you will understand. i never said you cant change a future, i said you cant change a future where something never happened if it already happened before trying to make that said future.
Im talking about this specifically while your assuming I mean in general, which im not.
That has nothing to do with his powers, why would I adress it. No. More importantly why would you bring it up. If you knew.
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But it does and I was arguing this with Quincy earlier. You stepped in and gave your own imput however, which all im doing is clearly correcting.HokageMangaVox said:
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But it does and I was arguing this with Quincy earlier. You stepped in and gave your own imput however, which all im doing is clearly correcting.
If it does why did you say in general? In general has to do with the ability of seen the future not Yhwach, I adressed the Yhwach part, there is nothing to correct.
If it does why did you say in general? In general has to do with the ability of seen the future not Yhwach, I adressed the Yhwach part, there is nothing to correct.
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Because you assumed i meant in general, which I wasnt. I was specifically talking about changing the future in a specific way and all you did was highlight and reply towards changing the future as if I meant changing the future period.HokageMangaVox said:
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Because you assumed i meant in general, which I wasnt. I was specifically talking about changing the future in a specific way and all you did was highlight and reply towards changing the future as if I meant changing the future period.
Then why would you continue to argue about it, when I already prove you wrong. Yhwach can do it, i link the feats period. Wherever you think is in general or not, it has nothing to do with my statment.
Then why would you continue to argue about it, when I already prove you wrong. Yhwach can do it, i link the feats period. Wherever you think is in general or not, it has nothing to do with my statment.
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Then why would you continue to argue about it, when I already prove you wrong. Yhwach can do it, i link the feats period. Wherever you think is in general or not, it has nothing to do with my statment.HokageMangaVox said:
But you didnt. You didnt prove me wrong in any remote way
All you did prove was that Ywhach can change the future, which I was literally not arguing against.
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I read it and It does make sense. However how would it be bouncing back specifically?Akiretsu said:
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How is KS Superior to Sasuke's eyes? Sasuke's eyes were compared to eyes that EFFECTED THE ENTIRE PLANET. I'm done with this wiki it is clearly a joke lol.
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Sasuke reversed Orochimaru's Body Transfer jutsu and used it to absorb him instead.Akiretsu said:
Right but would we consider the Body Transfer Jutsu to be an illusion technique?
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I read it and It does make sense. However how would it be bouncing back specifically?
Sasuke reversed Orochimaru's Body Transfer jutsu and used it to absorb him instead.
Right but would we consider the Body Transfer Jutsu to be an illusion technique?
It's a more complicated Jutsu than basic Genjutsu. The feat shows us that Sasuke can bounce Other Jutsu back at the user the same way Itachi did Kurenai.
Sasuke reversed Orochimaru's Body Transfer jutsu and used it to absorb him instead.
Right but would we consider the Body Transfer Jutsu to be an illusion technique?
It's a more complicated Jutsu than basic Genjutsu. The feat shows us that Sasuke can bounce Other Jutsu back at the user the same way Itachi did Kurenai.
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But you didnt. You didnt prove me wrong in any remote wayAnime4Life2020 said:
All you did prove was that Ywhach can change the future, which I was literally not arguing against.
So was your argument about general future sight, even do you said it wasn't. Make up your mind, and stop making excuses.
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What does the Infinite Tsukuyumis range has to do with Sasuke's eye. Sasuke never blocked the whole Planet with his Susano'o, only the light from touching them. That's like saying that since Yhwach see all possible futures, KS can affect multiple timelines. That's clearly NLF.RemnantOfTheAkatsuki said:
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^ To my understanding it took two people with god like abilities to undo the Illusion. You can be woken up from Aizen's Illusion just from someone else screaming your name just as Ichigo did when the captains thought they were attacking Aizen, but were actually attacking Momo. This wasn't the Ichigo who trained either. This was before he trained with his father.
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Remnant, that's completely false. Ichigo screamed and then Aizen stopped using KS so they could see. Occams Razor. It's also massively nonsensical if that could break it, but "The Almighty" couldn't. Come now, that argument was completely pointless.
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Also, by that logic Sasuke can do it as well. Thats not really a special ability. Ywach makes an alternate future, Aizen uses his KS just as he would for the original. It's literally the on the same plane and everything.
If you don't understand what im saying here's a scenario. Goku hits Zamasu with a Dragon Fist in one Future. Zamasu changes the future to where he dodges the punch. Goku then notices he dodges the punch, teleports behind him, then hits him with the Dragon Fist. So now Dragon Fist can affect multiple timelines? Same logic you are using. Please stop.
Also, you do understand range is a advantage right? I explained this already but ill do it again. Let's say you have the same sword with the same amount of cutting ability and the sword fighters are both equally skilled, however one of the sword fighters sword is twice the length of that than his opponent's. This makes his victory more likely than the other fighter.
And no, he didn't he only shielded the fighters he knew would be able to attack kaguya. But, his eyes were literally compared to the Infinte Tsyukinomi (Might be spelled wrong, don't have time to look it up) And i have that picture above so don't lie and say you've never seen it.
I like bleach as much as you guys but Jesus. The fanboying is just to potent here.
If you don't understand what im saying here's a scenario. Goku hits Zamasu with a Dragon Fist in one Future. Zamasu changes the future to where he dodges the punch. Goku then notices he dodges the punch, teleports behind him, then hits him with the Dragon Fist. So now Dragon Fist can affect multiple timelines? Same logic you are using. Please stop.
Also, you do understand range is a advantage right? I explained this already but ill do it again. Let's say you have the same sword with the same amount of cutting ability and the sword fighters are both equally skilled, however one of the sword fighters sword is twice the length of that than his opponent's. This makes his victory more likely than the other fighter.
And no, he didn't he only shielded the fighters he knew would be able to attack kaguya. But, his eyes were literally compared to the Infinte Tsyukinomi (Might be spelled wrong, don't have time to look it up) And i have that picture above so don't lie and say you've never seen it.
I like bleach as much as you guys but Jesus. The fanboying is just to potent here.
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"If you don't understand what im saying here's a scenario. Goku hits Zamasu with a Dragon Fist in one Future. Zamasu changes the future to where he dodges the punch. Goku then notices he dodges the punch, teleports behind him, then hits him with the Dragon Fist. So now Dragon Fist can affect multiple timelines? Same logic you are using. Please stop."
An ever-continuing hax and a punch differ in mechanics so much that the anology is useless here.
KS does indeed remain with the user no matter what. He can hop to different grains of sand (futures) all he likes, KS does not disappear. This is proven in that final fight.
An ever-continuing hax and a punch differ in mechanics so much that the anology is useless here.
KS does indeed remain with the user no matter what. He can hop to different grains of sand (futures) all he likes, KS does not disappear. This is proven in that final fight.
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Lmao for reals, might as well not even argue in a VS thread if Aizen is involved cause KS solos everything and everyone!!! What do you expect tho, the majority of this wiki is kinda biased towards Bleach not gonna lie...RemnantOfTheAkatsuki said:
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I'm done with this thread. Hokage is biased and doesn't know what they're talking about. When a mod comes and actually read the proof given it'll be dicided then. I'm not arguing further with someone who has 0 reading comprehension skills.
The proof i've given is pretty damning to any KS Arguments, but Hokage doesnt think so so its pointless to continue.
Hokage, if you and your minor knowledge of Naruto want to believe you debunked anything I said then sure, go ahead. You debunked me alright.
The proof i've given is pretty damning to any KS Arguments, but Hokage doesnt think so so its pointless to continue.
Hokage, if you and your minor knowledge of Naruto want to believe you debunked anything I said then sure, go ahead. You debunked me alright.
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^Exactly LOL. It's literally just him still arguing of KS.
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KS doesn't disappear? Are you serious? Everyone literally woke up. If your hit with the Infinite Tsyuki you and the entire planet will stay there untill two god like beings come save you. Jesus.
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Also, where does Aizen say he ever stopped using KS? Please give me evidence. During that fight? As soon as Ichigo screamed it showed everyone waking up. Give me evidence that Aizen released it.
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I agree, is pointless to keep arguing, we should just wait for the mods to decided. Is been long enough, but it was a fun debate, i don't know why people get upset over a fictional character, what do they even get if their character wins or not. I'll just watch for now, and correct something if is misinterpretated.
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Its not about the characters losing. What makes people get heated is the logic behind the arguments.
In my case i was totally triggered by KS arguments. Basically what you and everyone else arguing KS was saying is that KS = GG for anyone despite the fact they actually have resistance to illusions unlike in bleach where such a concept (Resistance to illusions) doesnt exist. Then your NLF remarks layered ontop of that really pisses people off. In this case its me. In other cases its someone else.
If you'd go as far as saying nobody can fight against KS then despite proof of resistance, what would you say about KS vs Xavier or Odin who have superior mindfucking hax and Resistance to mindfucking like Sasuke. If you'd say they'd beat KS then that's just proof of bias in this fight. People get angry when arguing with someine who is Biased and has their mind already made up.
In my case i was totally triggered by KS arguments. Basically what you and everyone else arguing KS was saying is that KS = GG for anyone despite the fact they actually have resistance to illusions unlike in bleach where such a concept (Resistance to illusions) doesnt exist. Then your NLF remarks layered ontop of that really pisses people off. In this case its me. In other cases its someone else.
If you'd go as far as saying nobody can fight against KS then despite proof of resistance, what would you say about KS vs Xavier or Odin who have superior mindfucking hax and Resistance to mindfucking like Sasuke. If you'd say they'd beat KS then that's just proof of bias in this fight. People get angry when arguing with someine who is Biased and has their mind already made up.
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Remnant. The entire idea behind Kyoka makes that impossible. It controls your senes, including hearing. It can fool "The Almighty" and doesn't wear off with loud sounds and 600+ years after being first applied.
If you completely and utterly believe that shouting at someone causes KS to break, you can debate with someone else. I don't have patience for the denial of the most basic and established principles of an ability.
At this point it's not even KS vs Genjutsu with you, it's downplaying KS.
If you completely and utterly believe that shouting at someone causes KS to break, you can debate with someone else. I don't have patience for the denial of the most basic and established principles of an ability.
At this point it's not even KS vs Genjutsu with you, it's downplaying KS.
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It was never KS vs Genjutsu. It was Sasuke vs Aizen. Thats my damn point. All you bring is KS to the table. I brought up a scenario if KS and Genjutsu just canceled out and asked one JUST ONE THING Aizen had over Sasuke Versatlity, Destructive Capacity, Fighting Style, Techniques other than KS, and how and why does it beat Sasuke's. Thats how I know you have no idea what you're talking about for the simple fact that all you talk about is KS vs Genjutsu. At this point I don't care about either. Bring something else to the table.
Thanks
Thanks
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You're just going to completely ignore your own attempt to downplay and make up false counters to Kyoka Suigetsu- which is arguing about it's lacking versatility and comparing it to Genjutsu (intentional or not) and then accuse me of bringing nothing to the table?
I brought something, you've only brought nonsense recently. The day being shouted at stops Kyoka is the same day large explostions stop it. Never. Goddamn ridiculous.
Aizen has hundreds of years more fighting experience, higher intelligence, superior swordsmanship and Kidou. Sasuke leads in DC and Durability. Aizen is immortal and has regenerated from absorbed and many other fatal wounds. Has soulfuck resistance for Six Path stuff.
Even if KS was useless, Sasuke is not having an easy fight. He get's demolished as Sword to Sword and probably hand to hand too. (Aizen easily bested Shunko Yoruichi, Urahara and Isshin with hands, feet and his blade.)
I brought something, you've only brought nonsense recently. The day being shouted at stops Kyoka is the same day large explostions stop it. Never. Goddamn ridiculous.
Aizen has hundreds of years more fighting experience, higher intelligence, superior swordsmanship and Kidou. Sasuke leads in DC and Durability. Aizen is immortal and has regenerated from absorbed and many other fatal wounds. Has soulfuck resistance for Six Path stuff.
Even if KS was useless, Sasuke is not having an easy fight. He get's demolished as Sword to Sword and probably hand to hand too. (Aizen easily bested Shunko Yoruichi, Urahara and Isshin with hands, feet and his blade.)
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Base on your answer I can say that you don't respect the opinion of others, instead you want to force your opinion on others expecting no argument in return. If you don't want to debate, then why are you here.
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By the way I'll just say this, and be done with it. Because I saw "people" from here going to the removal thread page, and cried for this page to be remove, just because they had no argument whatsoever.
Hirako tells Aizen how it works, this is what you claim to not be a feat because of these statments:
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But it depends in your point of view, see what happen ahead:
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Aizen couldn't counter, evade or bounce the illusions, he failed even with the knowleged you claim that it was why he evaded it. You're argument is erroneus.
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Now Aizen sees through the Optical illusion.
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It's like when you choose inverted controls on a game. Only for aizen it was his visions movements and everything. Aizen had the brain power to figure out the new controls for his body within seconds. Unlike Genjutsu, this illusion inverts your combat skills, senses, damage direction, and your sight.
Before you say that is inferior to Genjutsu, just because KS is better. Is like comparing the three of them, none of them are equal and will never be. Is just a counter feat for illusions. Simple as that.
Is like saying that Infinite Tsukuyumi is better than KS because it has Planetary Range, yet both last forever and have the same effects, KS only lags range, and range doesn't increase its DC because its a hax, and both last until a god tier desactivates it.
Hirako tells Aizen how it works, this is what you claim to not be a feat because of these statments:
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But it depends in your point of view, see what happen ahead:
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Aizen couldn't counter, evade or bounce the illusions, he failed even with the knowleged you claim that it was why he evaded it. You're argument is erroneus.
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Now Aizen sees through the Optical illusion.
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It's like when you choose inverted controls on a game. Only for aizen it was his visions movements and everything. Aizen had the brain power to figure out the new controls for his body within seconds. Unlike Genjutsu, this illusion inverts your combat skills, senses, damage direction, and your sight.
Before you say that is inferior to Genjutsu, just because KS is better. Is like comparing the three of them, none of them are equal and will never be. Is just a counter feat for illusions. Simple as that.
Is like saying that Infinite Tsukuyumi is better than KS because it has Planetary Range, yet both last forever and have the same effects, KS only lags range, and range doesn't increase its DC because its a hax, and both last until a god tier desactivates it.
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^ I told you before that range is literally an attribute to winning a fight? What don't you understand about that? Not only that it's literally worse because you need ***TWO*** since you act like you can't ******* read, seperate people from a LINEAGE of a specific clan that is pretty much ***EXTINCT***, That have trained for ***DECADES*** to undo it. Not even Sasuke's and Naruto's original state (Before they got powers from the Sage Of Sixth Paths) Had the strength to do it. Meaning if Sasuke does it and Naruto dies. GG Planet.
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^ The attribute doesn't make Sasuke any stronger. He blocked the light from hitting them. He didn't block IT's entire range, making your planet claim useless.
Why are you repeating things like I don't know? Do you even know what energy equalization is for? Is like you don't read the rules. Bruh. Just because you need an alien clan, doesn't mean it can't be undone. That's like the whole Reiatsu argument all over again, Naruto characters don't posses that attribute which is part of the spiritual energy (Reiryoku), therefore they can't harm Bleach characters while the opossite can happen. You say I don't read, yet when I answered you get mad because you can't counter, read or prove anything, and you start calling people fanboys because that's all you can do. If you don't want to debate, why are you here?
Why are you repeating things like I don't know? Do you even know what energy equalization is for? Is like you don't read the rules. Bruh. Just because you need an alien clan, doesn't mean it can't be undone. That's like the whole Reiatsu argument all over again, Naruto characters don't posses that attribute which is part of the spiritual energy (Reiryoku), therefore they can't harm Bleach characters while the opossite can happen. You say I don't read, yet when I answered you get mad because you can't counter, read or prove anything, and you start calling people fanboys because that's all you can do. If you don't want to debate, why are you here?
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