Sasuke Uchiha Vs Sousuke Aizen

[RemnantOfTheAkatsuki]

Lol this KS keeps being brought up. If it didn't work on Ichigo it damn sure isn't working on Sasuke, that's fact. And Sasuke will obliterate Aizen if he tries to fight him head on. The speed is equalized and even if it wasn't, Sasuke still has his Sharingan and Rinne-Sharingan to his advantage when it comes down to combat. Now, since Aizen is the same speed, it's pretty much over. Not only is Sasuke winning in Taijutsu or Close Combat, He's wining with destructive capacity, He's winning with ranged attacks. Aizen is immortal true, but Sasuke can easily seal him and or vape him.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Lol this KS keeps being brought up. If it didn't work on Ichigo it damn sure isn't working on Sasuke, that's fact. And Sasuke will obliterate Aizen if he tries to fight him head on. The speed is equalized and even if it wasn't, Sasuke still has his Sharingan and Rinne-Sharingan to his advantage when it comes down to combat. Now, since Aizen is the same speed, it's pretty much over. Not only is Sasuke winning in Taijutsu or Close Combat, He's wining with destructive capacity, He's winning with ranged attacks. Aizen is immortal true, but Sasuke can easily seal him and or vape him.

Please go read the Bleach manga and figured out why it did work on Ichigo becasue wha tyour displaying right here is ignorance. Sasuke is winning at Close Combat? Bru your talking about a person who bested all off the Goeti 13 Captains, the vizard and Yama j in close combat. Ranged Attacks? cough cough aizen has alot of ranged kido cough

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

now i don't care who wins i'm just correcting you on alot of incorret stuff

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Sasuke was training Boruto, so he had it on. By the end of the boruto film he had to turn it on since it was turn off from all the waist of chakra from jumping through Kaguya's dimensions Sasuke said himself. Also, the Sasuke from the LAST was still post getting Rinnegan Sasuke and is canon, the Rinnegan is not always on.

I fear you lack knowledge of Naruto, that is not Naruto talking is Black Zetsu making speculations, the scan I show was by Sasuke himself the owner of he Rinnegan and Susano'o. His statement is more valid than an speculation from a villain. A brat like Naruto called him.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Lol this KS keeps being brought up. If it didn't work on Ichigo it damn sure isn't working on Sasuke, that's fact.

That's a lie, actually. Aizen never used it on him, he himself said so.

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/bleach/bleach_684/bleach_684_5.jpg?v5

And Sasuke will obliterate Aizen if he tries to fight him head on.

I doubt it. He tanked DC from a Planet lvl possibly higher character. Sasuk is only small planet lvl.

The speed is equalized and even if it wasn't, Sasuke still has his Sharingan and Rinne-Sharingan to his advantage when it comes down to combat.

Which is worthless, time and time again is have been proven in Naruto that the Uchiha eyes can't follow people's movements that can blitz them.

Now, since Aizen is the same speed, it's pretty much over. Not only is Sasuke winning in Taijutsu or Close Combat,

Good luck fighting an illusion or someone how you think doesn't know how to fight hand to hand combat.

He's wining with destructive capacity, He's winning with ranged attacks.

DC won't hurt Aizen, he can regenerate and he powerscales to Yhwach.

Aizen is immortal true, but Sasuke can easily seal him and or vape him.

Read Aizen's Regenerationn level on his page I don't think Vape will do anything. Sealing could work. I give you that much.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

1. Do you see Sasuke's versatlity? Lol ofc he can hold him off long enough.

Too much use of his Rinnegan and his chakra drops, same with his stamina.

2. Lol ywach isn't in this. Only Aizen is. He is only moon my friend.

He isn't. Aizen feat is and it still counts.

3. Aizen didn't release them. And even if he did in that instant, Sasuke would still be able to get out of it just as other characters in Bleach eventually wake up.

Yes, he did. He can put them again anything he wants and release it after they already saw the release a hundred years ago:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139933/2826912-aizen_2.jpg

No, one in Bleach woke up. Provide proof for that stament, because even when they know they are in it, they couldn't do anything about it.

4. I highly doubt sasuke would run to the soul society and run back.

How would Sasuke do that. If you mean Aizen, then you're wrong and you haven't even seen the SS arc.

5. We are talking about the Sasuke that just fought Naruto with the Rinne-Sharingan. That was not that the Sasuke being discussed. That was the last lol.

Still canon, his eye is normal until he activates it. In boruto he had it recharging after waisting his chakra jumping thorugh Kaguya's dimensions. Madara was also able to turn it off. There's evidence everywhere that unless turn it on, is off. He starts with the rinnegan off and Aizen starts with KS off as well.

6. Die of hunger? Are you serious lol. Sasuke didn't eat during the whole war with the Ten Tails. He can literally summon animals and he has water style. If he needed (Which he doesn't)

That means nothing, even normal humans can live to a week without eating. Before an animals summoning can be performed, a prospective summoner must first sign a contract with a given species, to bad Sasuke blow up the Earth and he can't summon then since he just killed them all, an he can't live with just water.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Im pretty sure KS will still get nullifed by Izanagi and whats stopping Sasuke from just reflecting KS back at Aizen like Itachi did? There's no evidence that KS can't just be bounced back and if that forces Aizen to turn it off, then that gives Sasuke a tremendous advantage

Was stopping KS from making Sasuke think that he's doing that? KS controls the five themselfs that includes the sharingan and the rinnegan just like he controlled Yhwach's almighty eyes.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

im going with Sasuke for this one. his susanoo should be able to counter Ks and then he can just spam amataratsu on Aizen

KS isn't light, but visual. Amateratsu is slow, and Karin also survive it. Aizen>>>Karin.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Was stopping KS from making Sasuke think that he's doing that? KS controls the five themselfs that includes the sharingan and the rinnegan just like he controlled Yhwach's almighty eyes.

Because KS will have been bounced back at, and possibly turned off, by Aizen? This is assuming KSs effects will kick in and work on Sasuke before Sasuke can reflect it back at Aizen, which is completely speculative. There is absolutely no evidence that says KS cant just be bounced back at Aizen and made under Sasuke's control like Itachi did earlier in the series. Or if it forces Aizen to turn off KS, then it gives Sasuke a huge advantage since all of Aizen's other attacks are likely going to get nullifed via Rinnegan and will get Sealed by Sasuke

And Sasuke still has other options such as Izanagi to nullify KS, create Shadow Clones to guide him before KS is activated, or just Block KS with his Susanoo like he did against the IT.

Thats at least 4 different ways for Sasuke to get past Aizen's KS.

 

[RemnantOfTheAkatsuki]

him just talking to boruto

1. I said Sasuke's versatality, nothing about his rinnegan
2. Ok, his feat counts but this isn't Ywach. So it really doesn't matter here. Two different people, two different fighting styles.

3. No he didn't. After everyone attacked Momo. Ichigo screamed "What are you guys doing" which is where they cut to a scene to where all the captains wake up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tP8_onP0Js4.

This is the full fight. I don't know how to post a video.

4. You implied that if Sasuke destroyed 3/4 of the planet as i prevouisly stated he would just go to the soul society. My response is that I highly doubt that would happen for a logical reason that it is a planet exploding lol.

5. It's cannon but a different Sasuke. Thats BS and you know it.

6. I can't believe you are actually going on with the dying of hunger bull crap. He can still summon small animals and has water style you know.

7. Worthless? What have you been watching? How do you exactly think Sasuke learned his Taijutsu move set. It's originated from Rock Lee kid. He took a lot of his moves actually.

8. Like I said Sasuke has many illusion techniques as well, not just one.

9. He can still knock Aizen out immortality doesn't protect you from that mate.


Everyone this page is just saying "Immortal" or "KS". Which Sasuke has his own both Immortal techniques and illusion techniques.

And to the "Immortality argument"

Sasuke literally says in the newest episode "476" After they clash with the tailed beast bomb and susanoo chidori

That now since he has the rinnegan he can "Reincarnate, Immortality, I have many options"

http://www.masterani.me/anime/watch/63-naruto-shippuuden/476

skip to 19:26

So at this point you have two immortals but one is just stronger than the other, and can actually seal the other one.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Because KS will have been bounced back at, and possibly turned off, by Aizen?

How will Sasuje bounce back at sight effect, which one you're in it you can't escape it. Not even Yhwach's Almighty could bounce it back, after been caught in the effects.

This is assuming KSs effects will kick in and work on Sasuke before Sasuke can reflect it back at Aizen, which is completely speculative.

Which is completly the same thing you're doing, you're assuming that Sasuke will reflect it back before the effect take effect on Sasuke and make him think he is bouncing it back, when he is not.

There is absolutely no evidence that says KS cant just be bounced back at Aizen and made under Sasuke's control like Itachi did earlier in the series.

But their is evidence that it can't be bounce back or escape it, and that was an Itachi feat. Sasuke has no feats that allows him to do so.

Or if it forces Aizen to turn off KS, then it gives Sasuke a huge advantage since all of Aizen's other attacks are likely going to get nullifed via Rinnegan and will get Sealed by Sasuke

Even if Aizen turns it off, he can turn it back agaun whenever he wants or wherever he is, and Sasuke will still be under the effects. Once's you're caught in it, is stays on you. You don't beed to be caught again for the effects to work.

And Sasuke still has other options such as Izanagi to nullify KS, create Shadow Clones to guide him before KS is activated, or just Block KS with his Susanoo like he did against the IT.

You mean he will lose an eye by using Izanagi, just to realize that Aizen trick him with KS, and he didn't actually do anything but lost an eye. That's assuming Sasuke knows of KS beforehand, which he doesn't.

Thats at least 4 different ways for Sasuke to get past Aizen's KS.

I haven't seen them, yet.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

 

[Muu0934]

Considering how Bleach ended I'm not entirely sure how Aizen even has enough composite feats for most of the VS threads on the site he's been featured in.

Aizen might have the hax advantage due to KS, and the durability advantage from Hogyoku immortality but not sure if that is enough to wins. Granted he could go for a kill shot but the problem is that KS effects disipate whenever the victim touches the sword.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Granted he could go for a kill shot but the problem is that KS effects disipate whenever the victim touches the sword.

You forgot a very important detail, "before"


And I wonder how will Sasuke know that, without prep.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

By using the technique Itachi used when he was already in the middle of a genjutsu and bouncing it back at Aizen doesnt technically count as escaping it, Sasuke can still be in the illusion only he will gain control of it while Aizen is the victim. And no Ywhach's case is different because, iirc, Aizen put him under KS before he activated his Almighty, not after. The Almighty has nothing to do with past instances.

Because when has something like this ever been a factor in a vs match? That's like saying its an assumption to say a fire attack will work on someone who can reflect it back or absorb it before they do so. If the attack/technique is being launched, and it gets reflected, then its effects will clearly never reach its target, period.

Show me when Aizen has ever stated it can't be bounced back and used against him please. Otherwise that is completely NLF. Also, Sasuke doesnt need feats for it because EoS Sasuke has Itachi's eyes and is perfectly capable of using anything Itachi's eyes can do, plus more. Hell Sasuke already had a portion of Itachi's power when Itachi transfered it to him and this was when Sasuke had his own eyes. Saying Sasuke can't do something that Itachi casually did in the earlier series, when he has his eyes in a better variation, is ridiculous.

This isnt what im arguing at all. Im saying that if Sasuke bounces KS back at Aizen, and it forces Aizen to turn it off to prevent him from befalling under its effects, it gives Sasuke much more options to use than Aizen from that point on until he turns it back on for an unknown reason, and this is assuming he would before he gets either Sealed or Izanami'd (but likely just sealed). Of course, Aizen isnt likely to do anything 2x again if he's already seen it fail once anyway. Aizen is not an idiot and he wouldnt continue to do something he has clearly seen fail the first time he used it. So, given if KS fails once, its highly likely Aizen wouldnt use it again unless he's been given a completely safe oppurtunity to do so without it failing again.

And your assuming that simple illiusions can't be nullified by reality warping....why? There is no evidence that proves KS can last even against reality warping and to argue that when it has never encountered such a thing in-verse is ludicris. That's like saying even Gremmy's Visonary can't dispel it. Also Sasuke has precog via his Sharingan so he'll see Aizen's movements and what he'll do.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

By using the technique Itachi used when he was already in the middle of a genjutsu and bouncing it back at Aizen doesnt technically count as escaping it, Sasuke can still be in the illusion only he will gain control of it while Aizen is the victim.
Aizen controls his five senses including what he sees to think that's real. Any feats that Sasuke can replicate that jutsu or is it another assumption.

And no Ywhach's case is different because, iirc, Aizen put him under KS before he activated his Almighty, not after. The Almighty has nothing to do with past instances.

It doesn't matter when he was caught,Yhwach still has his eyes on the present along with the ability to be inmune, yet he couldn't get inmune to KS. Because it has to do with something that has not happen yet. Like Yhwach, Sasuke still uses his eyes on the present.

Because when has something like this ever been a factor in a vs match?

Can you specific what are you talking about. Thanks.

That's like saying its an assumption to say a fire attack will work on someone who can reflect it back or absorb it before they do so. If the attack/technique is being launched, and it gets reflected, then its effects will clearly never reach its target, period.

Except, you can't deflect or absorb KS since it works by eyesight. He doesn't launches anything at you.

Show me when Aizen has ever stated it can't be bounced back and used against him please. Otherwise that is completely NLF.

What are you gonna bounce back? Sasuke's eyes? SK has no form of attack, it just works by looking at it or in this version of EoS, by looking at Aizen himself.

Also, Sasuke doesnt need feats for it because EoS Sasuke has Itachi's eyes and is perfectly capable of using anything Itachi's eyes can do, plus more.

That's like giving Yhwach all the Quincy powers because he said he gains them back,and never use them.

Hell Sasuke already had a portion of Itachi's power when Itachi transfered it to him and this was when Sasuke had his own eyes. Saying Sasuke can't do something that Itachi casually did in the earlier series, when he has his eyes in a better variation, is ridiculous.

Not quite, just because he has the potential to do it, doesn't mean he has the knowledge to do so.

This isnt what im arguing at all. Im saying that if Sasuke bounces KS back at Aizen, and it forces Aizen to turn it off to prevent him from befalling under its effects, it gives Sasuke much more options to use than Aizen from that point on until he turns it back on for an unknown reason, and this is assuming he would before he gets either Sealed or Izanami'd (but likely just sealed).

That's assuming he can bounce back something that has no form, and that Sasuke is fast enough to gather intel that he can't kill Aizen while preparing a seal or izangi without knowning if the latter even work or Aizen activate it again. Given the fact that speed is equalized.

Of course, Aizen isnt likely to do anything 2x again if he's already seen it fail once anyway. Aizen is not an idiot and he wouldnt continue to do something he has clearly seen fail the first time he used it.

Actually, IF that even happens he will try it again with a different method, if his eyes are been mess with, he can even make Sasuke fire an Indra arrow on himself.

So, given if KS fails once, its highly likely Aizen wouldnt use it again unless he's been given a completely safe oppurtunity to do so without it failing again.

And your assuming that simple illiusions can't be nullified by reality warping....why? There is no evidence that proves KS can last even against reality warping and to argue that when it has never encountered such a thing in-verse is ludicris.

Yhwach's powers fall under that category, and he couldn't warped it out. He had to wait for Aizen to think that he was dead and drop his guard down to where he desactivated KS.

That's like saying even Gremmy's Visonary can't dispel it.

Gremmy is weaker than Aizen, Aizen's reiatsu will negate his powers. But KS can also manipulate Gremmy to make a wrong decision, by making him think that what he is seeing is real.

Also Sasuke has precog via his Sharingan so he'll see Aizen's movements and what he'll do.

KS control what he sees, Sasuke may see a quick from the left, but its actually from the right. He can see body movement, not what his techniques do.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

And Sasuke will have bounced it back at Aizen to make it his own as Aizen has no counter to someone overiding his control of KS or having any counter of it being used right back at him. Also, bouncing something back at someone is not replicating and Sasuke doesnt need to replicate KS in order to do so. In fact, if we're equalizing the verses, then Sasuke should technically be able to just copy KS via his Sharingan's copy abilities but i'll leave that out because reasons.

It does matter because Aizen did it when Ywhach was no where near his full capabilities. I highly doubt KS would work on Ywhach after he activates Almighty, it would just get nullified by Ywhach's future manipulation. Doing something to someone before that someone can reach the height of their capabilities is not impressive in any remote way.

Im asking when has a technique having its effects work on someone before they get countered been a factor in a Vs debate? Again, it is like saying you're using a fire manipulation technique on someone and that someone can either nullfy it or reflect it back at the user but they'll get burned before they do so. That makes literally no sense. The technique gets launched, and if a counter is available, then its getting countered before its effects kick in. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it and the same thing will happen if Sasuke just reflects KS back at Aizen.

That's irrelevant considering Genjutsu (at least for the Uchiua) works by eyesight as well. It's not a form of an attack that can physically be launched at you and Itachi was able to reflect it back at his foes in an instant without even batting an eye. What makes KS any different then this? If Genjutsu can be reflected back at its user then KS will be given the same treatment.

In Ywhach's case we treat it as speculation as we believe he Likely has them, not 100% sure he possesses them (i can be wrong so forgive me on this note). Sasuke on the other hand literally has Itachi's actual eyes. There is no reason to suggest Sasuke cant do the same shit Itachi could do since pre-shippuden, especially when Sasuke from that point on to currently now has used Itachi's eyes even better than Itachi himself. And this isnt even factoring Sasuke having a portion of Itachi's power within his own eyes as well when Itachi died.

Reflecting a Genjutsu back at someone via a Uchiua technique doesnt seem too difficult, at least for EoS sasuke. And like I said, Sasuke has used Itachi's eyes up to this point even better than Itachi has, he's completely surpassed Itachi in every way.

Fair point on that but Sasuke could always just read his mind via the Rinnegan's mind reading or just send in a Shadow Clone to gather intel for him first like Naruto and Kakashi had did before.

What do you mean by "mess with his eyes?" And this is still assuming Aizen will have the time to think of another method on how to use KS on Sasuke before he gets either izanami'd or the likely result, sealed.

Thats because Aizen used KS on Ywhach before he activated Almighty. Ywhach can't warp away anything that's done in the past, only in the future. He does not have Past Manipulation. If used after he had Almighty, KS would have been warped away definitely.

Hax isnt determined by power, especially any form of reality warping as its a tier ignoring hax. But even if Aizen can manipulate him to make him do a wrong move, thats assuming Gremmy doesnt know he was put under KS. I'll admit yes Gremmy cant negate it if he's clueless about it (Which is VERY likely considering he's a dumbass and Aizens a genius) but if Gremmy was in full realization of him being under the hypnosis, his Visonary should very well be able to negate its effects on himself.

That's why I said movements. Sasuke may not see Aizen's actual technique being started but he will see Aizen going into the stance of activating KS's shikai which will make Sasuke go more on the defensive to defend himself.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

And Sasuke will have bounced it back at Aizen to make it his own as Aizen has no counter to someone overiding his control of KS or having any counter of it being used right back at him.
How would someone been control into thinking that he bounce it back, something that has no form will do it. When he is actually not doing it, his basically bouncing back a mere illusion. He can't bounce something without getting out of it, and this is base on speculation since Sasuke has no feats of bouncing Genjutsu back. Why didn't he put Madara on his own Infinite Tsukuyumi.

Also, bouncing something back at someone is not replicating and Sasuke doesnt need to replicate KS in order to do so. In fact, if we're equalizing the verses, then Sasuke should technically be able to just copy KS via his Sharingan's copy abilities but i'll leave that out because reasons.

Do you assume he can copy, and materialize a zanpaktou and its spirit? That's like saying Sasuke can copy and create another Kuramafor himself.

It does matter because Aizen did it when Ywhach was no where near his full capabilities. I highly doubt KS would work on Ywhach after he activates Almighty, it would just get nullified by Ywhach's future manipulation. Doing something to someone before that someone can reach the height of their capabilities is not impressive in any remote way.

Then why do you argue that Sasuke can bounce back KS when someone who can become inmune couldn't, and that someone was stronger than Sasuke. If Yhwach couldn't, Sasuke won't be able too.

Im asking when has a technique having its effects work on someone before they get countered been a factor in a Vs debate?

You're assuming Sasuke will counter KS at first try which is impossible. Reasons, Aizen always KS at the start of a battle (Ichigo was the only exception, for been the MC.), Sasuke only needs to look at him, something that every character does in VS, and he will not notice KS even be activated. KS currently doesn't required a release command. Look at Aizen's page for more info on this.

Again, it is like saying you're using a fire manipulation technique on someone and that someone can either nullfy it or reflect it back at the user but they'll get burned before they do so. That makes literally no sense.

Feats are need for this, i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument. S keep the assumptions to yourself.

The technique gets launched, and if a counter is available, then its getting countered before its effects kick in. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it and the same thing will happen if Sasuke just reflects KS back at Aizen.

This is a debate without ifs, ands or buts you're been bias, and ignoring the rules. Now rebut my question, or you concede on this part.

That's irrelevant considering Genjutsu (at least for the Uchiua) works by eyesight as well. It's not a form of an attack that can physically be launched at you and Itachi was able to reflect it back at his foes in an instant without even batting an eye. What makes KS any different then this? If Genjutsu can be reflected back at its user then KS will be given the same treatment.

Genjutsu is base on inserting your own chakra into someone nerve system through the five senses to reach the brain. KS doesn't do any of that, do your research.

In Ywhach's case we treat it as speculation as we believe he Likely has them, not 100% sure he possesses them (i can be wrong so forgive me on this note). Sasuke on the other hand literally has Itachi's actual eyes. There is no reason to suggest Sasuke cant do the same shit Itachi could do since pre-shippuden, especially when Sasuke from that point on to currently now has used Itachi's eyes even better than Itachi himself.

Sasuke may have his eye, that doesn't mean that all of its technique are suddenly engrave into his mind, and he knows how to cast them all. Actually, Yhwach has a whole chapter about it, is call "God Like You".

And this isnt even factoring Sasuke having a portion of Itachi's power within his own eyes as well when Itachi died.

Having his powers doesn't mean he knows how to use them all. That's like saying that Ichigo can do Vollstandig, Ressurection or even fire Holy arrows just because he has their blood and the potential to do so. I can't go out there and say that Ichigo can make a Cero Oscuras, just because he knows how to do Gran Rey Cero.

Reflecting a Genjutsu back at someone via a Uchiua technique doesnt seem too difficult, at least for EoS sasuke.

KS isn't Genjutsu. Evidence? He didn't bounce Infinite Tsukuyumi back at Madara, he shield himself with the otheres.

And like I said, Sasuke has used Itachi's eyes up to this point even better than Itachi has, he's completely surpassed Itachi in every way.

Ichigo has surpass all the races, and he only haves a few techniques. There's a difference.

Fair point on that but Sasuke could always just read his mind via the Rinnegan's mind reading or just send in a Shadow Clone to gather intel for him first like Naruto and Kakashi had did before.

For that he needs to get close, and place his hand on Aizen's head. I doubt that Aizen will stay there without doing anything.

What do you mean by "mess with his eyes?" And this is still assuming Aizen will have the time to think of another method on how to use KS on Sasuke before he gets either izanami'd or the likely result, sealed.

KS controls the five senses, he can influence what Sasuke does with his eyes. That's why is impossible for Sasuke to bounce KS back, if he can. KS will make Sasuke believe that he did, when in reality he didn't.

Thats because Aizen used KS on Ywhach before he activated Almighty. Ywhach can't warp away anything that's done in the past, only in the future. He does not have Past Manipulation. If used after he had Almighty, KS would have been warped away definitely.

That's like saying that Sasuke can't escape, absorb or bounce KS back since he's already under is control. Whatever he tries won't work since KS will made him do something else entirely.

Hax isnt determined by power, especially any form of reality warping as its a tier ignoring hax. But even if Aizen can manipulate him to make him do a wrong move, thats assuming Gremmy doesnt know he was put under KS. I'll admit yes Gremmy cant negate it if he's clueless about it (Which is VERY likely considering he's a dumbass and Aizens a genius) but if Gremmy was in full realization of him being under the hypnosis, his Visonary should very well be able to negate its effects on himself.

Wrong. In Bleach Hax can be negated by Reiatsu. I already post you the link above.

That's why I said movements. Sasuke may not see Aizen's actual technique being started but he will see Aizen going into the stance of activating KS's shikai which will make Sasuke go more on the defensive to defend himself.

What stance? Read Aizen's page, he no longer has a sword nor does he requires a stand.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Let me put it to you this way. KS's hypnosis is not going to effect Sasuke at all as it will just be bounced back at Aizen before it effects Sasuke. Trying to argue it can effect him before it gets reflected is ludicris. Also, Sasuke didnt reflect it back at Madara becasue A) Infinite Tsuyuyomi is not a normal genjutsu or illusion technique, B) in order to even couner IT, Sasuke would need the power of the tailed beasts that Madara already had, already making IT impossible to counter in any way without the right requirements, C) The Technique was cabable of effecting the entire planet rather quickly which I highly doubt Sasuke would be able to reflect in time. Plus it was being reflected off of the moon's surface which Sasuke in no way would be able to reflect back at the moon without powers like Madara's, D) Sasuke decided to protect only him, Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi as he saw no point in saving everyone else who would be useless to fight against Madara, and E) Why would Sasuke risk losing chakra over reflecting a technique when his Susanoo by itself was cabable of stopping it from effecting him?

That's why I said i'll leave it out because of "reasons".

Because (AGAIN), Ywhach was not immune to anything when KS effected him. If he had Almighty already on when it did effect him, you would be right here and I would even agree with you. But he didnt. Ywhach before activating Almighty is vulnerable to anything and KS is no different.

Then this match is pointless if thats the case as your only giving Aizen all the advantages to make him the winner while not giving Sasuke any remote chance of saving himself, making this battle either a stomp or unoteable. Having his KS already activated before a fight is not only unfair for his opponents, it's also completely stupid. Unless you edit it to allow Sasuke to have his abilities activated before the fight starts as well to give him a fair chance to win, or at least fight, your literally making it so that Aizen wins in any way without Sasuke being able to do a single thing.

Yes but it doesnt change that both KS and Genjutsu are illusion based attacks, they have no form of an attack for either of them. Even if both go by different processes, the end result is still the same. If a non-attack form technique like Genjutsu can be reflected, then I don't see why KS can't be given the same treatment.

Maybe, but EoS Sasuke has had Itachi's eye's ever since he implanted them into him, which was around the War-Arc to currently now in Boruto's generation. That's at least years, years and years of having his eyes. Saying Sasuke hasn't fully mastered the powers of Itachi's eye's in that timespan is just ridiculous. And for this specific case, Sasuke has never once been put under a Genjustu ever since he got Itachi's eyes so there's nothing saying Sasuke can't reflect Illusions like Itachi can. Hell the only genjutsu Sasuke has even encountered with Itachi's eyes is the IT, which Sasuke blocked rather easily with just his susanoo.

See my comment above for that but if it's in Sasuke's own eyes, I guess that makes sense

See my first comment concerning Sasukek and the IT

Because Ichigo was never given all of their abilities, not even access to them. Sasuke has Itachi's actual eyes and has mastered them handily up to this point. Like I said, it is ridiculous to suggest Sasuke hasnt mastered Itachi's eyes by at least up to now in the Boruto manga.

You mean grab his sword, not his head. And if Sasuke makes clones who all have the rinnegan, they could just do it for the real Sasuke.

But what your missing here is the effects will never reach Sasuke as they will all have been bounced back at Aizen. The moment KS is activated and is in session of going towards Sasuke, it will have been reflected and all of it will be sent right back at Aizen, so Sasuke will not be influenced. Also, new scenerio: if Sasuke already has shadow clones out on the field amd KS is then activated, whats stopping Sasuke from just switching places with his clones so that the clone will get effected, not Sasuke? Then Sasuke will have seen it done before him.

Not if it's bounced back before the effects of KS kick in on Sasuke.

Reitsu only negates the technque itself, not the effects of it. And it's bad to assume that as its the same as DB ignoring hax via KI, which we dont allow or accept here. Someone has already said this once before but i forgot who.

And see my comment above on why this battle is pointles then if your just making it for Aizen to win no matter what. Then it's no longer a notable battle or win/loss for either of them unless Sasuke can have his abilities activated befoe pre-fight as well.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Let me put it to you this way. KS's hypnosis is not going to effect Sasuke at all as it will just be bounced back at Aizen before it effects Sasuke.
Base on what feats?

Trying to argue it can effect him before it gets reflected is ludicris.

Arguing that he can reflect it without knowing what it does or that is been activated, without any possible way for Sasuke to know isn't? You're making assumptions again, and thing Sasuke has prep on Aizen.

Also, Sasuke didnt reflect it back at Madara becasue A) Infinite Tsuyuyomi is not a normal genjutsu or illusion technique, B) in order to even couner IT, Sasuke would need the power of the tailed beasts that Madara already had, already making IT impossible to counter in any way without the right requirements,

How is Sasuke countering KS when is not Genjutsu or without strong enough reiatsu to do so, which he doesn't have. Energy are equalized, but Sasuke doesn't possess that technique.

C) The Technique was cabable of effecting the entire planet rather quickly which I highly doubt Sasuke would be able to reflect in time. Plus it was being reflected off of the moon's surface which Sasuke in no way would be able to reflect back at the moon without powers like Madara's, D) Sasuke decided to protect only him, Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi as he saw no point in saving everyone else who would be useless to fight against Madara, and E) Why would Sasuke risk losing chakra over reflecting a technique when his Susanoo by itself was cabable of stopping it from effecting him?

In othe words Sasuke has no feats of been able to.

That's why I said i'll leave it out because of "reasons".

Because (AGAIN), Ywhach was not immune to anything when KS effected him. If he had Almighty already on when it did effect him, you would be right here and I would even agree with you. But he didnt. Ywhach before activating Almighty is vulnerable to anything and KS is no different.

Same goes for Sasuke and anyone else, he will be manipulating their actions, and what they do.

Then this match is pointless if thats the case as your only giving Aizen all the advantages to make him the winner while not giving Sasuke any remote chance of saving himself, making this battle either a stomp or unoteable.

Not really. I never said he couldn't fight back, i'm just talking about KS.

Having his KS already activated before a fight is not only unfair for his opponents, it's also completely stupid. Unless you edit it to allow Sasuke to have his abilities activated before the fight starts as well to give him a fair chance to win, or at least fight, your literally making it so that Aizen wins in any way without Sasuke being able to do a single thing.

I never said it was. I said he always activates it when the battle starts, there is a difference. And check on one of my comments above, I said both Aizen and Sasuke start with their powers off, as any other character in VS, unless the OP changes it.

Yes but it doesnt change that both KS and Genjutsu are illusion based attacks, they have no form of an attack for either of them. Even if both go by different processes, the end result is still the same. If a non-attack form technique like Genjutsu can be reflected, then I don't see why KS can't be given the same treatment.

Not really. Earth and Wind are both elements, and just because you can bounce a rock back doesn't mean you can do the same with Wind.

Maybe, but EoS Sasuke has had Itachi's eye's ever since he implanted them into him, which was around the War-Arc to currently now in Boruto's generation. That's at least years, years and years of having his eyes. Saying Sasuke hasn't fully mastered the powers of Itachi's eye's in that timespan is just ridiculous.

Then he will get to prove that in the Boruto manga, if he doesn't means that he barely usess them or considers them useless. Here both are in character, which means he won't start using them from the beginning either.

And for this specific case, Sasuke has never once been put under a Genjustu ever since he got Itachi's eyes so there's nothing saying Sasuke can't reflect Illusions like Itachi can.

Nothing says he can either. Is just an assumption.

Hell the only genjutsu Sasuke has even encountered with Itachi's eyes is the IT, which Sasuke blocked rather easily with just his susanoo.

He blocked a Genjutsu base on light that needs to touch you, KS is Visual. Two different categories.

See my comment above for that but if it's in Sasuke's own eyes, I guess that makes sense, See my first comment concerning Sasukek and the IT.

KS controls the 5 senses, that includes Sasuke's eyes and while not fully controlling what they do, he can trick his eyes into doing something different to what Sasuke intended.

Because Ichigo was never given all of their abilities, not even access to them. Sasuke has Itachi's actual eyes and has mastered them handily up to this point. Like I said, it is ridiculous to suggest Sasuke hasnt mastered Itachi's eyes by at least up to now in the Boruto manga.

But Ichigo does have acess to some of them, that's my point even is Sasuke master the eye we can't say he has full knowledge of all of Itachi's technique without any knowledge of what those all. Are you saying the eye randomly tells Sasuke all the ability it possess, how did Sasuke gather the intel to know every technique only known by his brother which is dead.

You mean grab his sword, not his head. And if Sasuke makes clones who all have the rinnegan, they could just do it for the real Sasuke.

Incorrect. The Rinnegan user haves to place his hand on the victims head to read his mind, and you think Aizen can't create speed clones when he is a master of shunpo.

But what your missing here is the effects will never reach Sasuke as they will all have been bounced back at Aizen. The moment KS is activated and is in session of going towards Sasuke, it will have been reflected and all of it will be sent right back at Aizen, so Sasuke will not be influenced.

How, that's like saying Sasuke knowns that Aizen can cast illusions, and that he will activate a technique he barely uses and bounce back something visual with no form. That's like 1/100 change of happening.

Not if it's bounced back before the effects of KS kick in on Sasuke.

That's like saying that he KS will control his eyes, and he won't be able to bounce it back. Where are the feats? Is just an assumption, since Sasuke barely does that in character.

Reitsu only negates the technque itself, not the effects of it.

Then according to your statement Aizen would be dead. Since the effects or her technique is a one shot kill in two strike. Both are negated. Debunking your theory.

And it's bad to assume that as its the same as DB ignoring hax via KI, which we dont allow or accept here. Someone has already said this once before but i forgot who.

The author of Bleach already stablish that Reiatsu negates techniques, and abilities. It has nothing to do with DBZ. Ki, Chakra and Reiryoku are equalized in verse while Reiatsu is just a technique from Reiryoku. That's like saying that a Rinnegan can absorb a force or gravity like Almighty Push and Gravitational Pull. Because that's the Reiatsu physical form, is not energy.

And see my comment above on why this battle is pointles then if your just making it for Aizen to win no matter what. Then it's no longer a notable battle or win/loss for either of them unless Sasuke can have his abilities activated befoe pre-fight as well.

Neither one have their abilities activated prep-fight, is just that Aizen can activate KS more easier and without the opponents noticing it.

 

[Akiretsu]

KS = Controls all Senses

Genjutsu = Controls all Senses + Other stuff

Sasuke = Resistant to Genjutsu

Aizen = Not Resistant to Controlling All Senses.

KS shouldn't be an argument, Sasuke will see through it. Even if you want to argue to the death about Why Sasuke wouldn't be able to nosell KS (Which there is no reason he cant), as shown with Scans sensing gets over KS as demonstrated with Yamamoto.

@Hokagemangavox

Sorry about not getting back to you, College+Girlfriend has eaten up quite a bit of my time. If im not working on projects im...nvm. I'll try to get back to your posts in detail but i might not have that much time to edit and quote.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Based on how anything gets reflected period? Any hax, technique or attack that is reflectable towards its user will have its effects never reach its target. That's how it's always been in vs battles, when has it become any different?

Im pretty sure Sasuke will be able to tell when illusions are being launched at him as its one of the Uchiua's main specalities and KS isnt the only one to effect ppl without ppl being aware of it either, Shusui's genjutsu is capable of the same exact thing and I highly doubt Shisui's genjutsu is the best even amongst the Uchiua. Besides, if all else fails, he can just negate it with Izanagi and if Aizen tries doing it again, Sasuke can reflect it back at him then. Or use a clone and do the same thing.

Because again, hax is not determined by power and using the Reitsu canceling techniques argument is as bullshit as using the KI canceling hax argument and this isnt the first time this has been brought up. And no, it doesnt mean Sasuke doesnt have the feats to do so at all.

Not "anyone else" as that is a No Limit Fallacy and Sasuke will be immune to it if he can just reflect it back at Aizen before it reaches him and allows Aizen to manipulate him. Or just use a Shadow Clone as a decoy. Your right now acting as if KS is invincble and can go through anything without it failing against Aizen, which is completely wrong.

And thats what I mean about Sasuke not being able to do anything, making this match either unotable or a stomp. So Aizen can activate KS without doing anything and even looking at him can put you under it. Okay.....when exactly? The instant the fight begins? Before it? Will KS already be activated or will Aizen still have to properly ultize it after it started? This is what im talking about. If it works just by looking at him and if KS is already activated then how is this a fair match for Sasuke? He will literally be unable to do anything (unless he too can activate his abilities pre-fight like Aizen) and it will make ths match boring and pointless.

Okay so if both are starting with their powers off then why are you acting like Aizen's KS effecting Sasuke by mere glance will decide it? If both are looking at each other when the fight begins then Sasuke should still be able to do something before KS's activation. Not just instantly become Aizen's mind slave.

Actually you can. Wind in various media's, such as Naruto and/or Avatar, can be blocked and redirected with just simple wind manipulating alone. And it isnt like real life where Wind is invisible, wind in anime is perfectly seeable. Illusions on the other hand are different. They literally have no form, no sight, its something completely unnoticeable (Except to guys like Sasuke and Aizen). There's no logical way of bouncing back an illusion.

......um what now? Sasuke ALWAYS starts a fight with his Sharingan. At least almost always. If anything, he likely wouldnt start with using them without being given a specific reason to. And its not like reflecting an illusion takes a special part of the Sharingan, a normal sharingan can do it. Itachi didnt need to upgrade his Sharingan to a higher level to reflect genjutsu.

Except there is and thats him having Itachi's eyes and mastering them. What implication is there to EoS Sasuke not mastering Itachi's eyes?

And what says he doesnt know them? Sasuke isnt like Naruto who stopped training to watch his village, Sasuke has been training while constantly traveling the ninja world. After Kagauya's sealing and Madara's defeat, no one in the verse except for rookie Sarada had access to the Sharingan like Sasuke did so there would be never a reason for him to use illusion reflecting hax. For all we know he could know it but chooses not to use it as it would be pointless with no reasoning to it. Besides that, if Sasuke can use higher variations of the sharingan and their techniques, why would he struggle using a move that even Itachi's base form Sharingan can acompplish easily?

Oh my bad I thought you were talking about the KS nullification rule about touching it before its shikai is released. Again my bad. Yea he'll need to touch his head but he'll still have the advantage in numbers for being able to create multiple solid clones. Also when has Shunpo created living clones?

See my second comment.

Maybe it's also unfair to say Sasuke wouldnt do that in character when no one in the verse has ever required him to use a technique to reflect illusions except Madara with his IT which Sasuke's susanno by itself can block so using that technique wasnt required.

Okay and the law of DB is that higher ki= hax or abilities countered and we dont allow that here for DB characters because reasons. Bleach is completely no different with its reiatsu.

See my earlier comment on that.

 

[RemnantOfTheAkatsuki]

All the people defending Aizen just says KS KS KS. Sasuke is already resistant to Illusions and has Illusions of his own. Please bring Versatlity, Destructive Capacity, Agility, and Other Abilities to the argument. At this point I can't take you seriously.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

@Akiretsu

You do know that Yamamoto had to get impale to be able to sense the reiatsu of Aizen's blade. Not Aizen's reiatsu. Sasuke is not gonna let himself get impale, nor will he do it with his clone. That will implied he knows about KS which is not the case.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

This is going in circles, and no one is rebutting how will Sasuke escape, absorb or bounce KS. So I won't bother answering back. The only reply was base on a assumption that Sasuke has a jutsu that was used by Itachi, and Sasuke never used it in character.

Then since Aizen said he was a master of all the shinigami basic clasess, including Kido. He's able to perform none forbidden and forbidden kido alike and up to Level 99 Kido. So He can just cast Jikan Teshi (Time suspension) and Kuukan Ten-I (Spacial relocation) , one kido is able to freeze time around him while the other can transport Aizen in from of Sasuke and cut his head off.

 

[Akiretsu]

@Akiretsu

You do know that Yamamoto had to get impale to be able to sense the reiatsu of Aizen's blade. Not Aizen's reiatsu. Sasuke is not gonna let himself get impale, nor will he do it with his clone. That will implied he knows about KS which is not the case.

1.) Sasuke's sensory abilites are already Top-Tier in his verse which are already superior to what's shown in bleach.

2.)Sasuke can see the Energy no matter if invisible.

3.)KS reiatsu comes from Aizen's body now so....not to mention its still Aizen's Reiatsu.

Sasuke will never need to be impaled because he'd sense Aizen's Spirit Energy and see it at all times. Aizen wouldn't be able to hide it. So from a visionary/Sensory point, KS is useless. This doesnt factor in the fact that Sasuke is resistant to Illusions to begin with.

So KS is neutralized on all fronts. Now, let me ask you, what counters does Aizen have against Genjutsu? What even says Aizen can get off KS before Sasuke can get off Genjutsu?

Aizen has no feats of being resistant to mind *******. He only beat shinji because Shinji monologued about his ability. The best you can factually come up with is the Reiatsu Law but unfortunately, Sasuke without Biju is >= Aizen. Aizen is nowhere near strong enough to nosell Genjutsu from Sasuke under the reiatsu Law.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

@Akiretsu

You do know that Yamamoto had to get impale to be able to sense the reiatsu of Aizen's blade. Not Aizen's reiatsu. Sasuke is not gonna let himself get impale, nor will he do it with his clone. That will implied he knows about KS which is not the case.

1.) Sasuke's sensory abilites are already Top-Tier in his verse which are already superior to what's shown in bleach.
The same can be said about Aizen.

2.)Sasuke can see the Energy no matter if invisible.

Proof?

3.)KS reiatsu comes from Aizen's body now so....not to mention its still Aizen's Reiatsu.

Wrong. Yamamoto specific it was KS reaitsu, a zanpakuto is part of a shinigami soul but they are different, they are their own beeing to be more precise.

Sasuke will never need to be impaled because he'd sense Aizen's Spirit Energy and see it at all times.

So now Sasuke posses a Byakugan. Lel

Aizen wouldn't be able to hide it. So from a visionary/Sensory point, KS is useless. This doesnt factor in the fact that Sasuke is resistant to Illusions to begin with.

Base on what? Clearly not his own feats. You mean Sasuke's eyes will be useless.

So KS is neutralized on all fronts. Now, let me ask you, what counters does Aizen have against Genjutsu? What even says Aizen can get off KS before Sasuke can get off Genjutsu?

Did you read what you wrote? English please. Aizen has no feats of being resistant to mind *******. He only beat shinji because Shinji monologued about his ability.

Yet, Shinji's shikai as Aizen called it "a mere optical illusion" still controls his five senses, didn't took even a minute to get out of it. Even if Sasuke doesn't tell him, he will wity time. He has more experience than Sasuke.

The best you can factually come up with is the Reiatsu Law but unfortunately, Sasuke without Biju is >= Aizen. Aizen is nowhere near strong enough to nosell Genjutsu from Sasuke under the reiatsu Law.

But Sasuke doesn't possess Reiatsu now does he, as Mayuri said the Reiatsu of an immortal will continue to flow as long as the heart keeps beetling, Sasuke will eventually ran out stamina when he miss uses his Rinnegan.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

You guys know you need RINNEGAN to be immune to Infinite Tsukiyomi right? Sasuke just covered Team 7 with Susanoo since the effect would be on his susanoo and he can help other people with that. The susanoo alone would not be enough to save you from being casted in IT.


My vote goes to Sasuke, his visual prowess, genjutsu and stats doo doo on Aizen over -all. Aizen wouldn't dare to fight him head on.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Sasuke and basically all ninjas in Naruto have resistance to genjutsu (illusions)


People try to argue genjutsu's are different since its worked by chakra systems but its going through there for the same effect, to mess with peoples senses. With the rinnegan and mastery of sharingan illusions are joke to Sasuke. Peep how a much weaker and younger form of himself out-smarted his older brother who had the best genjutsu hax in the Narutoverse.

Aizen's KS is childs play for people in the Narutoverse. Sakura could break out of that, + This is EoS Sasuke he had the tailed beast to snap him out.

Thats multiple levels of back up. Sharingan, Rinnegan, AND 9 Tailed Beasts. He's not being tricked.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

You guys know you need RINNEGAN to be immune to Infinite Tsukiyomi right? Sasuke just covered Team 7 with Susanoo since the effect would be on his susanoo and he can help other people with that. The susanoo alone would not be enough to save you from being casted in IT.

My vote goes to Sasuke, his visual prowess, genjutsu and stats doo doo on Aizen over -all. Aizen wouldn't dare to fight him head on.

The infinite tsukuyumi is physical its light has to touch you, Sasuke Susano'o only blocks the light. KS is visual by eye sight, and since nothing is been thrown or cast, a barrier won't save him from looking. But let say IF it works, that's assuming Sasuke knowns about KS and shield himself as soon as the battle starts, since Aizen already fuse with KS he no longer has a sword, now you only need to look at him.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Sasuke and basically all ninjas in Naruto have resistance to genjutsu (illusions)

People try to argue genjutsu's are different since its worked by chakra systems but its going through there for the same effect, to mess with peoples senses. With the rinnegan and mastery of sharingan illusions are joke to Sasuke. Peep how a much weaker and younger form of himself out-smarted his older brother who had the best genjutsu hax in the Narutoverse.

Aizen's KS is childs play for people in the Narutoverse. Sakura could break out of that, + This is EoS Sasuke he had the tailed beast to snap him out.

Thats multiple levels of back up. Sharingan, Rinnegan, AND 9 Tailed Beasts. He's not being tricked.

But sadly KS doesn't have the same weakness Genjutsu posses, making it better. Genjutsu has never control someones eyes into casting the wrong jutsu. While KS made Yhwach use his powers differently, and made him choose a different future. Saving Ichigo's swords, and since Yhwach's eyes are more powerful it will work in Sharingan and Rinnegan. Hell, even Yhwach's eyes have the power of making him inmune to any ability, still failed to remove KS.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Aizen doesn't even need KS, he just uses (without incarnation) Jikan Teshi (Time suspension) and Kuukan Ten-I (Spacial relocation) , the first kido is able to freeze time around him, while the other can transport Aizen in front of Sasuke. He proceeds to cut his head off. Easy Win. Does Sasuke has a counter for time manipulation?

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Because (AGAIN), Ywhach was not immune to anything when KS effected him. If he had Almighty already on when it did effect him, you would be right here and I would even agree with you. But he didnt. Ywhach before activating Almighty is vulnerable to anything and KS is no different.

Actually, is doesn't work like that. Ichibei's powers had already affected Yhwach before he had the Almighty, and he still became inmune to Ichimonji's power when activate the Almighty. KS is an exception since Yhwach's powers still works through his eyes, while KS control his eyes. Now you see. Sharingan and Rinnegan will still be affected to KS laws.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Votes so far:

Aizen: 7

Sasuke: 6

2 didn't voted. I think the debate should be wrap up soon.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

You guys know you need RINNEGAN to be immune to Infinite Tsukiyomi right? Sasuke just covered Team 7 with Susanoo since the effect would be on his susanoo and he can help other people with that. The susanoo alone would not be enough to save you from being casted in IT.

My vote goes to Sasuke, his visual prowess, genjutsu and stats doo doo on Aizen over -all. Aizen wouldn't dare to fight him head on.

The infinite tsukuyumi is physical its light has to touch you, Sasuke Susano'o only blocks the light. KS is visual by eye sight, and since nothing is been thrown or cast, a barrier won't save him from looking. But let say IF it works, that's assuming Sasuke knowns about KS and shield himself as soon as the battle starts, since Aizen already fuse with KS he no longer has a sword, now you only need to look at him.

You're not understanding that regardless Sasuke is resistant to Aizen's illusion techniques. There are feats in the Naruto verser where characters break out of illusions far better than KS. In the situation of "genjutsu never made anyone use the wrong jutsu" is an opinion and you'd have to look further into detail for that answer. There's plenty of cases where people ended up doing the wrong thing since they were casted in genjutsu. Izanami is an example of that. Aizen's AP is lower than Sasuke so how can you assume he'd just cut his head off? Explain how Aizen will bypass Sasuke's durability + Rinnegan hax. Aizen will be tossed around and toy'd with through the use of bansho tennin and finally sealed in a chibaku tensei.

 

[Akiretsu]

My f*cking post never posted....-_-

Anyways, @Hokage

Reference: -Sasuke vs Itachi -Sasuke vs Deidara -Sasuke vs Raikage and Co -Kakashi and Obito vs Stone Ninja

Note: Aizen beating Shinji after being told what the ability does isnt proof of resistance to illusions. Saying otherwise is simply an assumption with no relatable proof. And KS working on Yhwach doesnt mean itll work on Sharingan/Rinnegan. All that means is Yhwach doesnt have resistance to Mind *******. Aside from Shinji, Aizen is the only other one in bleach.

No offense but the rest isnt worth a response for obvious reasons such as Verse equalization.

Aizen's only claim for victory here is KS which is proven useless against Sasuke where as Aizen has no answer to Saauke's Genjutsu.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

My f*cking post never posted....-_-

Anyways, @Hokage

Reference: -Sasuke vs Itachi -Sasuke vs Deidara -Sasuke vs Raikage and Co -Kakashi and Obito vs Stone Ninja

Was he put on a Genjutsu and brake out of it on his own?

Note: Aizen beating Shinji after being told what the ability does isnt proof of resistance to illusions. Saying otherwise is simply an assumption with no relatable proof.

You realize that been told, doesn't get you out of an illusion that style controls your five senses. You still have to get out on your own. Is a feat, just like how Bee got out because 8 tails help him.

And KS working on Yhwach doesnt mean itll work on Sharingan/Rinnegan.

Wrong. Yhwach stronger than Sasuke, and it worked on him.

All that means is Yhwach doesnt have resistance to Mind *******. Aside from Shinji, Aizen is the only other one in bleach.

That's contradicting feats, just like Yhwach, Sasuke can't get out of KS while is controlling his eyes and choosing what Jutsu he will cast for him.

No offense but the rest isnt worth a response for obvious reasons such as Verse equalization.

Is fine. People also ignore my post that Aizen wins with Kido alone. Not need for KS.

Aizen's only claim for victory here is KS which is proven useless against Sasuke where as Aizen has no answer to Saauke's Genjutsu.

Not really. I already posted above, how he does.

 

[RemnantOfTheAkatsuki]

Wait didn't Madara and Nagato say that the Rinnegan is immune to Visual Genjutsu? The only Genjutsu that ever worked on a Rinnegan was a Sage Genjutsu that affected the ears. And since Aizen Illusions work with the eyes it's literally game over

Sasuke wins in Versatlity, Destructie Capacity, Moveset, Special Ability set and so forth...

 

[RemnantOfTheAkatsuki]

Also Sasuke can just teleport all around him, Use his Susanoo to destroy him and most of the planet. Or use Indra's arrow to just destroy the planet. Aizen at this point couldn't do anything.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

The infinite tsukuyumi is physical its light has to touch you, Sasuke Susano'o only blocks the light. KS is visual by eye sight, and since nothing is been thrown or cast, a barrier won't save him from looking. But let say IF it works, that's assuming Sasuke knowns about KS and shield himself as soon as the battle starts, since Aizen already fuse with KS he no longer has a sword, now you only need to look at him.
You're not understanding that regardless Sasuke is resistant to Aizen's illusion techniques.

Base on? Last time I check Genjutsu and KS don't work by the same rules. Proof Sasuke can get out from a everlasting illusion.

There are feats in the Naruto verser where characters break out of illusions far better than KS.

You mean feats with outside help. Thats just it you can't break out of KS that's one difference from Genjutsu.

In the situation of "genjutsu never made anyone use the wrong jutsu" is an opinion and you'd have to look further into detail for that answer.

You're suppose to defend the character you're debating for, is not my job to search evidence for you. If you bring none when asked, means you conceded to that argument.

There's plenty of cases where people ended up doing the wrong thing since they were casted in genjutsu. Izanami is an example of that.

Izanami makes you repent and accept yourself. It doesn't make you go around casting wrong jutsus. Get your facts straight.

Aizen's AP is lower than Sasuke so how can you assume he'd just cut his head off? Explain how Aizen will bypass Sasuke's durability + Rinnegan hax. Aizen will be tossed around and toy'd with through the use of bansho tennin and finally sealed in a chibaku tensei.

Because Sasuke can't move or defend if time is stop. Sasuke, Madara, Naruto, Itachi, etc... Have been impale by swords before just for letting their guard down. Unless, he can move with time stop, he dies. Chibaku tensei uses gravity to pull his opponents, Aizen can resist his own Kiruhitsugi which warps time and space, he has resistant to gravity, he can just teleport away, Naruto evade it just fine.