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Sans vs Weiss

WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo Trying to counter the gravity manip with her own just sitcks her to the ground and gets her hit with a wall of bones
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She can control her vertical movement. The reason that most of his attacks are hard to dodge is because he holds you to the ground. Making a platform would keep her away from the ground, where most of his attacks are.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Even if she tries to dodge through them she dies
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No, if she tries to dodge them she sometimes gets out and proceeds to counterattack with ranged dust attacks and glyphs.
 
@Wok Not against an 8-C, they can kill a 7-C soul in a few hits, an 8-C soul would be basically oneshot. And Weiss doesnt have a time slow.
 
@Dargoo Weiss cannot control her vertical movement, she has never onec demonstrated the ability to do so.

She will neve rhit Sans with ranged attacks as he can just spam teleport to dodge
 
I don't think we do soul durability like that weirdly enough, but if you mean flowey, he doesn't have a soul.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Wok Not against an 8-C, they can kill a 7-C soul in a few hits, an 8-C soul would be basically oneshot. And Weiss doesnt have a time slow.
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Tiering doesn't matter here as Sans ignores durability with his attacks to begin with. It would take just as many hits (not a few, mind you), to kill Wiess as it would Frisk.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo Weiss cannot control her vertical movement, she has never onec demonstrated the ability to do so.
She will neve rhit Sans with ranged attacks as he can just spam teleport to dodge
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She can

uh

Make a platform so she doesn't fall in whatever direction Sans takes her in?

Launch herself in the other direction with a glyph?

Change her gravity to correct her fall?

Not sure what you're getting at.
 
That's more due to the abuse of game mechanics which we don't accept to be generalized here, because at this point it's on the cusp of becoming 2-B.
 
@Dargoo Those Glyphs can be broken and Sans can just throw her horizontally

If she tries to throw herself she gets gravity slammed
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo Those Glyphs can be broken and Sans can just throw her horizontally
If she tries to throw herself she gets gravity slammed
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They can be broken, sure, but they'd save her in the moment of an attack.

Not if she corrects her gravity. Their abilities can be used to counter eachother repeatedly. You're assuming Weiss does this once and then just lets herself fall when Sans responds.
 
Weiss cant just affect her own gravity on a whim

No im assuming Weiss throws everything she has at Sans and it doesnt do anything to him because it wont
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Weiss cant just affect her own gravity on a whim
No im assuming Weiss throws everything she has at Sans and it doesnt do anything to him because it wont
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She can use a glyph which she ca sort of do on a whim.

Of course Weiss can harm Sans. And land hits. What happened her her homing attacks, eh?
 
She does it plenty of times in the nevermore fight and Roman w/mech fight.

They'd just change direction as he teleports. Teleportation doesn't make you untouchable; it just makes you harder to hit.
 
She didnt make a gravity glyph against Roman and the only gravity glyph she used against the Nevermore is the one she used to launch Ruby

And he'd teleport again. Plus they dont damage they just freeze which again he can teleport out of.
 
And she can't do that for herself why?

Right. Now add in multiples of projectiles into the equation. He can't insta-teleport for each and every one of them, and Weiss can unload a decent number of ranged dust attacks at him.

Ice damages you while growing even if it isn't directly freezing you, especially with the edges you see come out of Weiss' ice.
 
Because she never demonstrated the ability to do so until after the timeskip?

they'd hit him all at onec for a single freeze which he'd teleport out of

Yeah if youre hitting if from the outside, not being frozen by it
 
What, she can't put two and two together and just place it below her? It's not like it's limited to other people; it's something she places that anyone can use.

That... still damages you. You ever seen what ice does to solid objects when growing around them? Now imagine that ice is fast growing and has spikes... you get the point hopefully.

Look, to be blunt, the best Sans has reacted to was a knife to the face. You're telling me he suddenly becomes Neo from the Matrix and can react to tons of projectiles at once? That doesn't make sense.
 
I don't see why teleporting would make sans stop being frozen. Don't think it ever generated a ton of heat.
 
Its not that she cant, its just that she literally does not have the ability to do so until after the timeskip.

The ice doesnt have spikes on the inside my dude

Yes, he can. All of Weiss' ranged attacks are telegraphed
 
"It's not that she can't"

"She literally does not have the ability to do so"

What?

Come on. It's something she can summon and use for herself. Weiss isn't idiotic enough to think that a glyph that can launch her away from an attack suddenly stops existing because she hasn't used it for herself before.

I strongly disagree. Weiss can launch a number of attacks at once that would be hard to simultaneously dodge. I think you're both overplaying Sans' dodging abilities and underplaying Weiss' ranged potential.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Wok Because he'd just be stuck in a block of ice, he can very easily teleport out of it
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For the last time, ice would damage you even if it's not directly freezing you due to how ice works.
 
I don't think the damage would be much whwn you have no organs.

And sans can abaolutly destroy her soul right away if he hits. There was a whole crt about how soul manip gets stronger with their tier in undertale, we are assuming weiss has as much of a resistance as start of game frisk as is.
 
Going off of what weekly said in the bug eaten vs Weiss thread Weiss spams aoe in close combat regularly

So she can just aoe and hit sans thus she has a win condition
 
@Paul Sans isnt a close range fighter, I dont see how Weiss using AOE when in close combat is a win condition when sans won't let her be in close combat. Saying he let Chara get in close combat is just game mechanics.
 
That's not really game mechanics. While sans may not want to let people get near him, the fact that the PC can force him to dodge by slashing a knife at him means it's still possible to get within melee range. His defense isn't absolutely perfect.
 
I disagree, with Undertale's combat system it allows Chara to always attack, only being countered by Sans breaking the games mechanics and dodging. Also, he was the only Character to attack first and his attack consisted of ranged bones and lasers, it's how he opens. In the context of an actual fight he's not going to launch a volley at his opponent, then wait till they get close.
 
No he's not letting Chara get in close, Chara just manages to regardless of the fact that sans doesn't want that which forces him to dodge. What I am saying is that his defense is not absolute.
 
not every lose for a rwby character is a stomp

It was already explained that Weiss has ways to win
 
You think that, and as much as "majority rules" isn't the best, a consensus is not going to be reached and several disagreed with you.
 
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