Sans vs. Arzon Rematch

[WeeklyBattles]

Lets hope Sans realizes that Arzon has fought people with all of Sans' tricks and more before Arzon gets off a single attack

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Again, show these attacks to me please.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Sans FRA(nothing has changed right?).

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Beyond being a necro? Not much, no.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Vote?

 

[Videogamer1265]

Sans FRA.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Vote count?

 

[Apatheticskell]

What's the vote count could anyone tell me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Arzon is currently winning

 

[Apatheticskell]

Ok, but I need to know the votes first.

 

[Videogamer1265]

Arzon is currently winning

How in the hell is Arzon winning?

Sans: 6-7? (Saikou the Lewd King?, ThePixelKirby, The Wright Way, GyroNutz, Risci-Viragosi, Apatheticskell, Videogamer1265)

Arzon: 4 (Weekly Battles, The real cal Howard, Kepekley23, Katharsus)

 

[Apatheticskell]

Saikou never voted.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Sans FRA

 

[Apatheticskell]

Grace shall now begin.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Video Because the reasoning for Sans was mostly debunked, and the remaining reasoing for him winning is flawed as he doesnt spam teleport like people are saying he does

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Looking through the arguments again, people are arguing Sans fights the exact opposite how it was argued he fights in Sans vs Weiss which i find hilarious

 

[Andytrenom]

Arzon isn't winning, Kep didn't even vote and Katharus FRAed a debunked reasoning. He has two votes at most right now.

 

[Apatheticskell]

@Video Because the reasoning for Sans was mostly debunked, and the remaining reasoing for him winning is flawed as he doesnt spam teleport like people are saying he does

It wasn't. You're correct for TP spam but not everything else.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Andy And all of Sans' reasoning was debunked or is completely inaccurate

 

[Andytrenom]

No as far as I can see you and Cal just disagreed with them. Which isn't Debunking at all.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Apathetic People arguing that Sans can hit him with a wall of bones when not only can Arzon jump thousands of meters in the air casually, but Sans' bone wall was argued in other threads to only be a few meters tall and easily avoidable.

Arzon has AoE attacks with several hundred meters of range and almost all of his attacks are invisible due to being made of wind

That on top of RHG characters consistently reacting to attacks they cannot see and Arzon being able to send attacks through the ground to ambush the opponent debunk any reasoning Sans has

 

[Apatheticskell]

@Weekly But Sans easily Soul manip obliterates, especially considering the fact that Arzon is slower and doesn't have whatever tier Soul Manip resist Frisk had.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Andy Read my response

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Sans deals 1 damage per frame, the game running at 24 FPS.

If we assume a "baseline" soul in Undertale has 20 HP, it would take Sans 0.83 seconds of contact with one of his attacks to kill someone via Karmic Retribution.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Weekly But Sans easily Soul manip obliterates, especially considering the fact that Arzon is slower and doesn't have whatever tier Soul Manip resist Frisk had.

Sans' soul manip is easily avoidable especially for someone like an RHG character who has to deal with danmaku level spammed attacks and telekinesis wielders on a regular basis. Arzon is also only .25x slower and willing to lead with his speed amp if he needs to

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Not only are Sans' attacks easily avoidable according to you in Sans vs Weiss, but he starts well out of the range to be able to hit Arzon

 

[Apatheticskell]

That on top of RHG characters consistently reacting to attacks they cannot see

Wouldn't Arzon have a higherspeed Tier then?

Ignoring Gasterblasters via aim dodging is understandable but gravity attacks + Soul Manipulation + being faster = gg.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They are easily avoidable for someone like Weiss... Not quiet sure of the same for Arzon.


But again, still waiting for those scans and such.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Not only are Sans' attacks easily avoidable according to you in Sans vs Weiss, but he starts well out of the range to be able to hit Arzo

>just comments about how fast Sans' soulhax would kill

>gets smack talk for stuff not even relevent on this thread and stuff I never even said

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ricsi Arzon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weiss in terms of mobility and avoiding stuff that Sans can throw at him

What would you like scans of? I will gladly post any evidence you'd like if it means proving this argument wrong

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wouldn't Arzon have a higherspeed Tier then?

Ignoring Gasterblasters via aim dodging is understandable but gravity attacks + Soul Manipulation + being faster = gg.

No, its a feat for his reaction

Sans's speed advantage is negligible, nonexistent when Arzon amps himself, and useless given Arzon starts several kilometers out of the range of any of his abilities

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi Arzon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weiss in terms of mobility and avoiding stuff that Sans can throw at him

I am more talking about having a physicaal platform to stand on.

And non-existent speed advantage? He constantly blitzed someone who is mach 3000 with ease.

 

[Andytrenom]

You know, going over this thread again I think Arzon actually only has one vote right now. Cal didn't seem to have actually voted.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Yeah but Sans' main method of Attack would be to catch his opponent off guard. Arzon can't dodge Nor react to something faster than him and even if he does block with forcefields, he'll probably expect the field to block it, and then the bones bypass the fields via intangibility hax, catching Arzon of gaurd, allowing Sans to finish him.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ricsi Yes, Arzon is able to make physical platforms to stand on, youre correct.

And Arzon can blitz people who are casually mach 2500+

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then why is another calc on his profile?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Apathetic The speed advantage is only .8x, Sans is nowhere near fast enough to attack Arzon to the point that he cant react.

Sans starts several kilometers away from Arzon, he cant hit him at the start whereas Arzon can range spam with multi-kilometer AoE attacks

Arzon doesnt spam forcefields he dodges far more

 

[Apatheticskell]

Mach 6182 >>>>> Mach 2500+

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sans is not Mach 6000+

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then why is another calc on his profile?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Rock_Hard_Gladiators:_More_MHS+_feats

This is the feat he scales to