Samus Aran vs Megaman X

[MasterWinduTheThird]

This is probably one of the biggest debates in gaming.

2 MFTL chararacters with starbusting durability and power with little to no stamina limits.


If these 2 Armored Titans ever fought, who would win?

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

I'd say X with very high difficulty, and would win 6/10 times.

 

[Reppuzan]

Samus is at least 100x faster than X in base, but her AP is slightly lower. So yeah, X with high difficulty if he can tank Samus's first attack, since he can then go to town with his superior hax.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

X-2

Samus-0

Also,

X

3.4 Million C

Samus

100,000 C - 19.56 Million C

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

So the speed difference isn't that large

 

[Reppuzan]

3 Million is in travel speed, not combat speed.

 

[SomebodyData]

^ That and doesn't Samus' phazon bypass durability?

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

If you can move at a certain speed, I'm pretty sure you can react to that.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

Well, was Megaman X fighting in a vehicle or his usual ability?

 

[Promestein]

For the record. Most characters have very different movement and reaction speeds, so we separate them. Fiction doesn't care about what makes sense, fiction does whatever it wants.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

Who do you guys vote for?

 

[Reppuzan]

I'm not keen on the specifics of Metroid so do you mind elaborating on what Phazon does?

I remember it being a source of corruption, but X is so goddamn pure with his Anti-Maverick Protocols that it is nearly impossible for him to succumb to such measures.

 

[Cropfist]

I'm sure X due to the difference in Attack Potency and hax.

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm not keen on the specifics of Metroid so do you mind elaborating on what Phazon does?
I remember it being a source of corruption, but X is so goddamn pure with his Anti-Maverick Protocols that it is nearly impossible for him to succumb to such measures.

It can also bypass dura and has the ability to massively increase fire power and dura

 

[Reppuzan]

There's no telling whether or not X would be empowered by it as well though (he was splashed with a parasite that takes over and modifies the host but due to Zero's quick thinking X's body ended up assimilating it for a while as an upgrade that let him use any weaponry he had previously with or without the weapon chip). He's just as adaptable as the Chozo Suit, if not more so.

 

[SomebodyData]

There's no telling whether or not X would be empowered by it as well though (he was splashed with a parasite that takes over and modifies the host but due to Zero's quick thinking X's body ended up assimilating it for a while as an upgrade that let him use any weaponry he had previously with or without the weapon chip). He's just as adaptable as the Chozo Suit, if not more so.

Not sure how you can adapt to something that would bypass dura, considering that only dark samus actually uses it to corrupt.

 

[Reppuzan]

The parasite X got splashed with bypasses durability as well since it directly affects the hardware and eventually the software of the host, so there's that.

How does it bypass durability exactly though? If it's soul hax then X is pretty much immune to that (he's been restrained and mind controlled due to foes with extensive prep in the side material but his soul was never corrupted despite hundreds of years of exposure to the Maverick Virus through combat and exposure to his best friend, Zero, the progenitor of the virus).

I'll give Samus the speed advantage, but since X's durability is Large Star Level+ he should be able to tank her best before throwing it back at her after a time stop or with an omnidirectional attack.

 

[SomebodyData]

The parasite X got splashed with bypasses durability as well since it directly affects the hardware and eventually the software of the host, so there's that.
How does it bypass durability exactly though? If it's soul hax then X is pretty much immune to that (he's been restrained and mind controlled due to foes with extensive prep in the side material but his soul was never corrupted despite hundreds of years of exposure to the Maverick Virus through combat and exposure to his best friend, Zero, the progenitor of the virus).

I'll give Samus the speed advantage, but since X's durability is Large Star Level+ he should be able to tank her best before throwing it back at her after a time stop or with an omnidirectional attack.

It bypasses durability, as in ignores the durability

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

X: 3

Samus: 1

 

[Reppuzan]

Again, how? Does it just negate defenses, infiltrate systems, pass through walls?

X has dealt with all of these things so...

 

[SomebodyData]

Again, how? Does it just negate defenses, infiltrate systems, pass through walls?
X has dealt with all of these things so...

He has survived having his body destroyed? Weaponized phazon ignores durability when it hits, it makes a hole where it lands regardless of dura unless you have a PED or Phazon suit (Thats the point I'm trying to make). Even normal phazon can tear tenacious damage on Samus with her Light Suit.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

Well, X's destructive power and attack potency are greater.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

By a lot too.


A large star I heard was 30x our Sun, while a small star is .075x our sun.

 

[Reppuzan]

But X can stop time and has the Nova Strike to use in the meantime. In addition (assuming this is X at his peak) he has Regenerationn and the ability to hack nearly any device. Probably wouldn't work on the Power Suit considering the fact that it's a part of Samus, but it's still something to think about.

 

[SomebodyData]

But X can stop time and has the Nova Strike to use in the meantime. In addition (assuming this is X at his peak) he has Regenerationn and the ability to hack nearly any device. Probably wouldn't work on the Power Suit considering the fact that it's a part of Samus, but it's still something to think about.

Uh, thats nice and all but the speed gap is still large enough for that Samus can attack before he can stop time. His regen is good but the phazon's side effect of tenacious damage will keep that at bay. I think his hacking abilities likely would work but remember, Samus has Scan and Hack Visors too.

 

[Reppuzan]

X isn't getting hacked that easily. His Anti-Virus Systems are nigh perfect (and worked against the evolving Maverick Virus for hundreds of years) and the bad guys had to use external means of controlling X in the side materials.

The Mother Elf's regenerative capabilities are pretty damn strong, healing everything Zero could do to Omega in seconds while shielding him from all damage. X is still able to function even with half his body blown off so I'm pretty sure he can react in time.

I still don't exactly buy the "Phazon ignores durability argument" since the Federation was able to create shields to mitigate its effects according to the Metroid Wiki. If it really ignores all shielding such defenses would be useless, no?

 

[SomebodyData]

X isn't getting hacked that easily. His Anti-Virus Systems are nigh perfect (and worked against the evolving Maverick Virus for hundreds of years) and the bad guys had to use external means of controlling X in the side materials.
The Mother Elf's regenerative capabilities are pretty damn strong, healing everything Zero could do to Omega in seconds while shielding him from all damage. X is still able to function even with half his body blown off so I'm pretty sure he can react in time.

I still don't exactly buy the "Phazon ignores durability argument" since the Federation was able to create shields to mitigate its effects according to the Metroid Wiki. If it really ignores all shielding such defenses would be useless, no?

That is true, however the Hack and Scan Visors have been shown to be capable of hacking all kinds of different technology, so why they wouldn't put him down, they can be a nuicence.

Can he survive without a head? Also the Hyper Bomb is an omnidirectional version of the attack, meaning that unless he moves out in time he'll have way less than half.

They created the shields specifically to mitigate its effects (PED Suits).

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

Is this match becoming inconclusive?

 

[Reppuzan]

Then Phazon doesn't ignore durability. Plain and simple. X always has a forcefield around him that mitigates all damage sources when equipped with his best gear. While it might not be specifically tailored to blocking Phazon, I'm certain it'll defend against Phazon considering all of the attacks X has experienced, with only thing it can't defend against being Zero's Giga's Attacks and the collapse of an entire pocket dimension space. I also watched a few videos and it takes a while for the Phazon and Hyper Beams to actually kill anything above fodder in Prime 3.

Does Phazon annihilate matter? Hyper Bombs are powerful but I'm not sure if they have the same potency as the detonation of an entire space colony.

The Mother Elf simultaneously hacked every Reploid on the planet, with a population that had grown to exceed the population of the human race, simultaneously in seconds. I don't think Samus's Hack Visor has anything on that.

 

[SomebodyData]

Then Phazon doesn't ignore durability. Plain and simple. X always has a forcefield around him that mitigates all damage sources when equipped with his best gear. While it might not be specifically tailored to blocking Phazon, I'm certain it'll defend against Phazon considering all of the attacks X has experienced, with only thing it can't defend against being Zero's Giga's Attacks and the collapse of an entire pocket dimension space. I also watched a few videos and it takes a while for the Phazon and Hyper Beams to actually kill anything above fodder in Prime 3.
Does Phazon annihilate matter? Hyper Bombs are powerful but I'm not sure if they have the same potency as the detonation of an entire space colony.

The Mother Elf simultaneously hacked every Reploid on the planet, with a population that had grown to exceed the population of the human race, simultaneously in seconds. I don't think Samus's Hack Visor has anything on that.

If I could make a technology that specifically allows me to see the invisible, does that make the invisible object not invisible? Does Superman's weakness to krytoponite mean that hes rock level? The answer is an obvious no.

How did you get that the destruction of a colony = annihilation of matter? Annilhation/ destruction of matter is more of a bypassing dura hax than an ap in fiction.

True, not that it really matters, after all to use hax you generally have to be really close in speed, which is not the case here.

 

[Reppuzan]

But I have yet to see any evidence that Phazon ignores durability. Sure, mooks are downed in seconds, but that doesn't say it ignores durability. You have yet to get me real evidence.

Do Power Bombs annihilate matter or not? Yes or no? From what I've heard it runs on extreme heat and is thus closer to a miniature nuke, something X can withstand.

X did it instantly across an entire planet. I don't think any amount of speed is getting Samus away from range in time.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Just a little input, but I recall Phazon ignoring durability on beings that are at least partially biological, since that's how it can attack them. Isn't X fully mechanical?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I believe so, yes, X is entirely inorganic.

 

[SomebodyData]

Just a little input, but I recall Phazon ignoring durability on beings that are at least partially biological, since that's how it can attack them. Isn't X fully mechanical?

Actually the bounty hunter Ghor was able to be infected despite being 94% machine with the exception of the brain which was not hit as his armor was still on.

Also Meta Ridley which is mainly machine.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Actually the bounty hunter Ghor was able to be infected despite being 94% machine with the exception of the brain which was not hit as his armor was still on.

I know, but Phazon needs something organic to infect. It could easily seep through every portion of X's body, but that doesn't mean it could infect him if he's nothing but mechanical.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

Does that mean you favor X Azathoth and Everlasting?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Yeah, Phazon is all Samus really has to defeat X from what I can recall at the moment.

 

[MasterWinduTheThird]

X: 4

Samus: 1

 

[SomebodyData]

Actually the bounty hunter Ghor was able to be infected despite being 94% machine with the exception of the brain which was not hit as his armor was still on.

I know, but Phazon needs something organic to infect. It could easily seep through every portion of X's body, but that doesn't mean it could infect him if he's nothing but mechanical.

Phazon corrupted the Chozo ghosts although in their case they were driven insane

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Phazon corrupted the Chozo ghosts although in their case they were driven insane

Wasn't that more due to the Phazon corrupting the environment to which the Chozo ghosts were linked and less the Phazon actually directly corrupting the spirits?