No? Arriving at the edge of the galaxy and then making it to planet Maru are two separate feats that would both be MFTL given the size of Area 1 and the distance to the galaxy on the map.
Huh? Why the hell do you think she was going MFTL? To get there? That was off-screen?
What we see with the trail is at the end of the second part, getting to Maru, and it’s pretty likely they didn’t warp before starting the second part of that journey.
Except, again, you're ignoring THE DBZ TRAIL. You're wrong, not up for debate, no matter what the case is, it wasn't normal flight.
Before Samus even enters Extreme Galaxy, she says “hey let’s fly around and make a star chart before we get to planet Maru”.
Warping is still flight what? And yeah, she did say that, the exact quote, "Let's fly around the planets, find out more about them, and try to make a star chart".
Which tells us, uh, nothing except she was gonna fly around to at least a few planets, she never says before or after, she doesn't even seemingly do it.
Warping around everywhere to random planets goes against this idea because then they don’t know where these planets are in relation to everything else, so it’s not an accurate star chart.
Again, you don't seem to grasp what warping even is, it isn't teleportation dog.
it's hyperspace, doing it in warp would 100% be more efficient, and pose zero issue.
And them warping to the galaxy itself would require them to know exactly where Maru is in said galaxy, which they obviously didn’t if they were trying to chart out the galaxy.
Uh, they did tho, they were told about it? They even say "yeah we were told about this planet that's in sector 1", they legit knew.
Because the characters in the cockpit aren’t going through a speed change when it cuts to the second page, they act like everything’s normal, no one acknowledges they’re in hyperspace,
This just ******. You realize none of that works like that yes? They're not gonna look different, act different, etc.
Like, wtf do ya mean "they arent going through a speed change", no shit, they're in a cockpit? Hyperspace and warp don't work like that?
No shit they'd act like everything is normal, do you think in ZM or Prime or etc when they enter hyperspace, they just get thrown by the momentum? Hell no, hyperspace basically nulls that.
the panel doesn’t acknowledge they’re in hyperspace until well after they’re already in the galaxy and have a chart of information (given that they have already arrived at Maru)
Why? it's an established concept, she never acknowledges it in prime 3 yet she does it every time.
And yeah, AFTER they're in, how ya think they got there? By using the speed trillions of times below?
You need to read what they actually say better, that last bit isn't even true.
No, because them warping around would go against what Samus was trying to do, which was make a map of the galaxy in order to determine where places were relative to each other, as well as her saying they wanted to “fly around to other planets”, aka calculate distances.
Reading comprehension my dude, guess what she doesn't actually say? Hell going by your logic, she *******, somehow, charted out every goddamn planet in the galaxy, when we 100% know she didn't due to future chapters.
Plus, warping requires coordinates, which Samus seemingly didn’t have.
No it doesn't? it can use coordinates, they can still just ******* warp to wherever, whenever, and come out at any time.
The story tells us that Outlaw mentioned “legends” and “stories” of a planet called Maru, it implies they didn’t really know much about it other than “it existed”, and they definitely don’t mention they knew the exact coordinates before entering the galaxy.
Uh, no? Stop adding words to shit.
Joey says he heard stories, not LEGENDS, stories as in just dudes talking about it. Diesel IMMEDIATELY says "yeah it's here lmao", they knew where it was.
They say it's uncharted, but that doesn't mean they dont know where the planet they were told is, was. Because they do?
Prime 3 is chronologically before this manga so I think it’s relevant.
Ok then you dont even have an argument because Prime 3 does everything in its power to showcase shit dont work the way you think it does.
Plus, them warping everywhere can be taken as a sign that ships hadn’t been that fast in 3D space at the time, technology evolves.
This ship, was made before Prime 3, it's in Prime 2 ffs. And no, stop making shit up, every thread with you.
It still bring up the idea that there is a range limit to HD
No? HD takes time? Warping across the universe would still take eons dude, they needed actual wormhole shit to get there.
and anything surpassing that limit makes HD a no-go. And if they improved their warp drive to the point it could cover the distance to EG in one go, then Samus wouldn’t be flying so close to it in 3D space instead of just warping from Outlaw directly.
Yeah, awful argument,
She stops to ask them if they want to turn back, they say "nah we good", then she burst speed.
Ship speed could simply have improved since Prime 3 days, this is after Super Metroid so there’s a notable time gap.
it didnt, we know this because that fuckass dread gunship exists, we also know this because this EXACT SHIP was made before Prime 2, at a random federation shipyard. The prime 3 gunship is, according to lore, her best one.
So not only are you making shit up again to try to justify blatant contradictions, youre not even correct because this ship predates prime 3.
It’s not “millions of light years”,
Yes it is? Do you not know how to angsize? She was numerous galaxy width's away?
all we know is that Samus was within 7.8% the diameter of this galaxy in distance from it when we see the first page, that’s a few thousand LY at most.
Dude, you have no idea how big this shit is do you?
And considering there’s a time cut, it’s pretty easily arguable they didn’t get there within a conversation, since there is a time cut to after they collected information on the galaxy for the 2nd/3rd page.
Ok then they warped if there's a time cut.
I mean the next best feat is prolly the speed booster chapter where she races across multiple planets and to the asteroid belt and back in a few minutes, which is prolly some degree of FTL (like I just did a random Earth to Mars thing and it got 2.5 c)
Already attempted calcing that, it's sub-rel.
Well considering we don’t see them enter hyperspace at any point, yeah I kind of think it’s feasible they didn’t use hyperspace, considering basically every other time hyperspace is used we see the portal effect signifying entry or exit.
Sucks that there's a huge time cut then no with the actual travel all off-screen in the verse that establishes all MFTL travel, before, and after, being warp tech, whether it's the best ship in the Fed Army, or even dudes like Dark Samus.
The default assumption will ALWAYS be the thing they hammer in. ESPECIALLY when talking about a feat that according to you was done off-screen yet is somehow millions of times above the ships WITH warp? Do you actually not see the issue with your assumptions?
The trail only showed up when they got in the galaxy and to planet Maru, there’s nothing suggesting Maru is at the very edge of Area 1 and it would be pretty astronomically small odds to say as such, so it’s likely that entering the galaxy, finding information, and getting to Maru were all separate occurrences and the trail aura isn’t connected to the ship entering the galaxy the first time.
Except, the trail WAS THE MFTL FEAT. Holy ****, im so tired of repeating the same shit.
And no, the planet can be wherever the hell it wants to be, the very fact it's in sector 1, is already unlikely, yet it explicitly was. Do you n get when your arguments all hinge on "maybes", theyre not gonna amount to anything?
Yeah, okay, the ship when it’s using burst speed can just be faster than when Samus is casually flying to the edge of Extreme Galaxy. It’s a race, Samus is meant to be going faster.
Then stop arguing it.
I don’t even deny that the Maru entry scene is potentially the exit of HD, doesn’t mean that it’s connected to the first page’s travel.
The 1st page, according to you, has a HUGE time cut?
If her ship is MFTL in a non life or death setting where she doesn’t need to go as fast as possible, then it would probably be MFTL in a race against the “speed demon of the galaxy” going as fast as possible, and she was still capable of dodging all incoming hazards in that scenario, so her reactions would scale.
What, none of them were using warp tech? That's like, the whole issue, ships have 2 speeds, normal speed, and MFTL bullshit. Them flying in a race, doesnt mean theyre going quicker then warp tech, it's the very fact it is, that makes the use of warp tech make zero sense, they're competing dog, cant compete if ya using hyperspace
Yeah, the hazards is the uh, second best feat she has? That's like 300000000x less?
Yeah, she could have, except hyperspace requires coordinates to jump to, and demonstrates an entry or exit portal/ship dematerializing as a constant, neither of which are present in this chapter’s beginning.
Yeah, there ya go, she could have. And when the verse has all this established bullshit, that becomes the default for an off-screen feat.
And, again, when do they EVER say that coordinates are 100% required to go into hyperspace? Just because they use them, doesn't mean the hyperspace button dont work without it, it's just, why the **** warp drive when ya don't know where ya going?
Samus can pretty evidently warp anyway, hell Sylux too given he trails Samus. Or even worse, DARK SAMUS, she uses warp to get around, you think she needs coordinates to warp?
And, again, you somehow went another whole ass post without addressing any issue, im not doing this with you man, it's actually annoying, either properly tackle the points, or stop responding.
