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Hold on! I actually can pull up scans of the Sword of Acorn interacting with Willpower
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Sally Acorn Vs Asriel Dreemurr
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We know it can free someone’s willpower, you’d need to provide evidence it can absorb this stuff.
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You are right, yeah, she would have his magical abilities, but the main problem is the determination, I don't think the SOA has absorbed the will to live of someone, if Sally absorbes his DT it's 100% over for him
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No, it hasn’t absorbed anyone’s will to live, but at the same time, none of the users of the Sword of Acorns had a desire to do so, just paralyze and absorb the power from Enerjak.
The scans above were mostly to prove that the Sword can interact with willpower.
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Yeah, Freeing peoples Willpower and stuff was actually on the profile. You’d have to prove they can absorb it. Absorbing Powers and absorbing someone’s Will to Live are two very, very different things, with very, very different effects.
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That argument seems too much on the hypothetical side
Just because it can reatores someone's will, doesn't mean it can take it away, after all this website is about feats, not what it could happen
Just because it can reatores someone's will, doesn't mean it can take it away, after all this website is about feats, not what it could happen
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But the Sword of Acorns is connected to the Source of All, which are the building blocks of the verse. That is a lot of NLF but in terms of willpower, the Sword of Acorns should be capable/superior to what the Egg Grapes's and the Roboticizer's functions do.
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Problem is you need to prove that’s something the Sword’s capable of, something Sally/The Sword would do (it has no idea absorbing Willpower would even work), and then question whether it’d work on something with no SOUL that can’t feel emotions at all since Willpower and Emotions are typically linked.
I also dislike this, as you’re not even using Feats or Statements for this form of scaling, it’s the Same as claiming Goku can do Hakai because he’s superior to Beerus or something (bad example, but still). If they haven’t shown the ability, you shouldn’t be able to claim they have it.
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I agree with Brawl here, I know that the source is the building blocks but I would like more proof than "it should have because it's superior"
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I proved it can interact with willpower
Woah! That you cannot prove that the Sword wouldn’t know how to do. It was made out of the substance that built the verse.
i’m confused. We were discussing Flowey’s Willpower and desire to live. Which he doesn’t show until Chara.
There are statements that the Sword of Acorns is connected(was created out of) to the Source of all, and the Source of all has statements that they are the building blocks of the verses.
Goku isn’t the building blocks of his verse XD
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Yes... Hm...
What are the arguments that Sally can't absorb the power of RESET?
I believe Flowey mention it could be taken away from him, like when Frisk shows up at the beginning of the game.
What are the arguments that Sally can't absorb the power of RESET?
I believe Flowey mention it could be taken away from him, like when Frisk shows up at the beginning of the game.
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No, we went through a downgrade on that. It seems it was self-activate Reality Warping than Fate Manipulation. As SOA has a sentient consciousness.
SOA's consciousness is mostly a concept for Sally based on how well she got along with NICOLE.
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I'm waiting for pro Undertale arguments on that.
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What? Flowey was determined ever since he was "born", he is literally alive because Alphys injected the first flower with determination, it has nothing to do with Chara
That was only because Frisk had more determination, that's just a in verse rule that only the most determined being has DT powers
No, because determination comes from the will to live, the SOA never took someone's will away when it took their powers, they still remained themselfs
C'mon, we explained this posts ago
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I'm confused. What does this mean:
How does that translate to verse equalization?
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What I said, just listen to him explain it, and then
Because that's how the verse works, others verses don't give you time powers from being determined, how determination works is a power to the verse, which isn't equalized because other verses don't work like that
Look, determination users nulling each other is a feat for them, not the contrary
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Know what? I’m tired of quoting, you know who I’m talking to.
You proved it could give something Free Will. Prove it can take away Will to Live.
I don’t know how the Sword works. I was asking for proof that it would know it has to drain Will to Live, know if it could drain Will to Live, and would actively attempt to drain Will to Live. From a Flower.
I said Bad Example. Gives you the point, though, yes? Just because you’re Superior to (X) or connected to something superior to (X) doesn’t mean you can do everything (X) can do.
Also, it would probably translate to ‘If the opponent has something similar to Determination, and more of it, then they can overcome the current Determination User’. Not sure- most verses aren’t powered by something such as Determination, so no one ever gets it.
You proved it could give something Free Will. Prove it can take away Will to Live.
I don’t know how the Sword works. I was asking for proof that it would know it has to drain Will to Live, know if it could drain Will to Live, and would actively attempt to drain Will to Live. From a Flower.
I said Bad Example. Gives you the point, though, yes? Just because you’re Superior to (X) or connected to something superior to (X) doesn’t mean you can do everything (X) can do.
First of all, what I was saying is that Flowey, by default, has no SOUL and no Emotions. A lot of the time, Willpower Manip is done via Empathic Manip, so I said it as an off-hand statement Since it technically related to the match.
Also, it would probably translate to ‘If the opponent has something similar to Determination, and more of it, then they can overcome the current Determination User’. Not sure- most verses aren’t powered by something such as Determination, so no one ever gets it.
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Sorry, I meant what DaddyBrawl said
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Something is off here
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It doesn’t give free will. It restores free will. Basically the Sword is manipulating the will that already is in there.
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What's wrong? Flowey is brought to life via determination, he lacks a SOUL and thus lacks the ability to feel love, it's very simple, I send you two links that pretty much explain his entire history
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But to be determined means you care. To care about something means you have emotion for it.
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That's not how it works, just watch the two videos and you will understand
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Does it example how Flowey developed fear(Emotion) for Chara during the Geocide Run?
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Yes, I didn't send a fan theory, I send you game dialogue
Flowey can't feel love and care for people, but otherwise he can still feel feelings, like fear, anger, etc.
Flowey can't feel love and care for people, but otherwise he can still feel feelings, like fear, anger, etc.
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So, this is wrong then?
Not that it matters, now that I really think about it, since Archie's willpower manipulation doesn't care about emotions.
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Yeah it is, he has emotions
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So he does.
But I apologize for dragging down this thread, I was caught off guard by "emotions mattering with Willpower manipulation" and forgot that function doesn't apply to Archie. My bad.
But I apologize for dragging down this thread, I was caught off guard by "emotions mattering with Willpower manipulation" and forgot that function doesn't apply to Archie. My bad.
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Yes, I still don't see how she will drain his determination away
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Who even said anything close to this? In this thread? Please show me
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If Willpower is a factor with Determination, than its possible Sally could drain it, since restoring free will is manipulating the pre-existing will.
But it's as probable as Ultra Sonic effecting the atoms of individual living beings. It's there (Ixis Naugus) but he was never shown doing it himself.
@Theuser789 Could you outline the events of this match from the beginning and where it could possibly end?
But it's as probable as Ultra Sonic effecting the atoms of individual living beings. It's there (Ixis Naugus) but he was never shown doing it himself.
@Theuser789 Could you outline the events of this match from the beginning and where it could possibly end?
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I can
The fight would start, Asriel would be super cocky like usual, while Sally would be monotone, he would probably say some over the top speech and then get his powers nulled and turned into a flower, rendering him speecheless. Than Sally would kill him, but the problem is he would then just LOAD back before the fight even started
The now Flowey would realize that the sword somehow nulled him, so he got to be extra careful when dealing with it. Than he would probably plan around, get his powers back, and hit Sally when she least expects him, killing/absorbing her
The only thing I could see changing is if the sword somehow tells her that Flowey could time travel, but I doubt it could do that even with precog, especially after she thinks he is died
TD.lr Flowey wins like Super Buu beat Gohan, "retreating" and then devicing a plan
The fight would start, Asriel would be super cocky like usual, while Sally would be monotone, he would probably say some over the top speech and then get his powers nulled and turned into a flower, rendering him speecheless. Than Sally would kill him, but the problem is he would then just LOAD back before the fight even started
The now Flowey would realize that the sword somehow nulled him, so he got to be extra careful when dealing with it. Than he would probably plan around, get his powers back, and hit Sally when she least expects him, killing/absorbing her
The only thing I could see changing is if the sword somehow tells her that Flowey could time travel, but I doubt it could do that even with precog, especially after she thinks he is died
TD.lr Flowey wins like Super Buu beat Gohan, "retreating" and then devicing a plan
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He can beat base Archie characters, yes, they aren't invencible
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No, because Asriel would attack when she isn't using the sword, afterall the sword isn't part of her
He would be going back in time, this would only be valid if he came back at the same time
He would be going back in time, this would only be valid if he came back at the same time
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