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There's next to no fragments whatsoever when Seiya punched the ground during Cassios' fight.
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TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:I think its better described as an issue with Range. The Atomization is an area only the size of their fist. Where ever their intended attack lands. The outward force produced from the impact point of the attack may not be atomization though.unless you want everyone to get "Aura" (Will atomize anything caught in their aura)
Except,you know,the Range of some Cosmo users?AstralKing7 said:I actually agree with thisTheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:I think its better described as an issue with Range. The Atomization is an area only the size of their fist. Where ever their intended attack lands. The outward force produced from the impact point of the attack may not be atomization though.unless you want everyone to get "Aura" (Will atomize anything caught in their aura)
I also agree with Matt and Crateris
Atomization values for that crater leads to 8-B to 8-A results, like I have mentioned multiple times.Matthew Schroeder said:There's next to no fragments whatsoever when Seiya punched the ground during Cassios' fight.
This will change chapter 1 seiya, but what are your plans for the keys after chapter 1? Such as silver saint arc when they become comparable to other silver saints and defeat themKepekley23 said:Atomization values for that crater leads to 8-B to 8-A results, like I have mentioned multiple times.Matthew Schroeder said:There's next to no fragments whatsoever when Seiya punched the ground during
And with destruction at the subatomic level.Kepekley23 said:Atomization values for that crater leads to 8-B to 8-A results, like I have mentioned multiple times.
It's Atomic Annihilation as I explained in my scans several times over.Kepekley23 said:Atomization values for that crater leads to 8-B to 8-A results, like I have mentioned multiple times.
I am actually fine with the conclusion being that Seiya doesn't annihilate 100% of those atoms but I do think he annihilated at least a non-insignificant portion.AstralKing7 said:I actually agree with thisTheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:I think its better described as an issue with Range. The Atomization is an area only the size of their fist. Where ever their intended attack lands. The outward force produced from the impact point of the attack may not be atomization though.unless you want everyone to get "Aura" (Will atomize anything caught in their aura)
I also agree with Matt and Crateris
Hmm. There seems to be plenty of evidence for Matthew's argument. I am not well-informed enough for this discussion in any case.Matthew Schroeder said:@Supreme
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Saint_Seiya_-_Destroying_Atoms_Since_1986
Mind you, this blog is from 2016 when this exact same discussio was being held. There's been a lot more since, such as the explicit showing from El Cid in the manga.
This guy has the right idea.PhantomMistress said:There seems to be a massive misconception going on about how atoms even fundamentally work in this thread, and on the wiki at large, that need to be fixed as soon as possible.
Everytime someone destroys something at all, they are shattering atoms. As Kep mentioned, the energy required to shatter an atom, on any level, is so ridiculously, pathetically small that it hurts; only 200 MEV are necessary to disrupt an atomic nucleus. That is thousands upon thousands of times lower than the energy of even the after-effects of a punch. Whenever you fragment a rock, you're destroying millions of atoms on the subatomic level.
That means you ca use a measly pulverization value for that crater, and it would still fit the "atomic destruction!!" statements, just fine. Unless it is explicitly stated that the entirety of the crater was destroyed on an atomic level, you can't assume anything else.
Don't have to because the method of the calculation focused on atomic annihilation is completely different.Dargoo Faust said:Xul pretty much hit the nail on this thread, to be entirely honest.
Matt also hasn't responded to my calc demonstrating that Kep's estimate wasn't off by very much, still waiting on that.
It's what's listed on our Calculations page, what are you talking about? You haven't really explained yourself very well on this point, just to add.Matthew Schroeder said:Don't have to because the method of the calculation focused on atomic annihilation is completely different.
BOOM Done No more No need for moreAerrowStorm1 said:OK, I'm throwing my hat into the ring.
From what we're TOLD CONSISTENTLY, it's supposed to be atomic destruction
Marin actually uses the word "Hakai" in Japanese to refer to what they're doing to the atoms, which means destroy.
Every statement on how their attacks work is that they're meant to be destroying atoms
The problem of their still being "Debris" seems to be just artistic license, as not only is Seiya repeatedly stating to be destroying the atoms, but later, we see other people explaining that something EXPLICTLY had their "Atoms destroyed" but their being bits and pieces left.
Why would we assume that, and why is it remotely reasonable?TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:I think it can be reasonably assumed the amount of atoms being destroyed is what is imbued into their fist (the size of their fist, or kicks sometimes headbutts), and not the outward expansion that happens as a result of the impact (The atomic destruction should be treated as hax, and not AP imo.)