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Prove it.SupremeGilgamesh said:Once something is hit with Cosmo,it is disintegrated at a atomic level
As in, the entire object is disintegrated, mind you.
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Prove it.SupremeGilgamesh said:Once something is hit with Cosmo,it is disintegrated at a atomic level
What we have here is a failure to actually defend a point and use vapid ideology to attempt to Poison The Well.Matthew Schroeder said:What's happening here is that we have a wide range of people who are not fans of Saint Seiya suddenly taking interest in the verse and supporting a downgrade based entirely on visuals.
Lune's body was disintegrated.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:"my whip is being pulverized"
Blatantly how? Did you not read the scans? The in-universe explanations for the very basis of the power system? The logic behind the Saints' attacks themselves?ParadoxIndifferent said:Even assuming Saga, Sorrento and Niobe are capable of full, complete atomic destruction (something that is irrelevant to the thread), they don't excuse Chapter 1 Seiya blatantly straying far from doing the same thing, in the slightest.
You do know how calcs work, right? They're...visually based for a manga. You calc what is on the page. Thats what a calc is. And if there is debris, you cant calc it as vaporization.Matthew Schroeder said:@Xulrev
We don't need to use visuals when the statements all repeat the same thing. I'm sorry, but can you not read the scans? All of them state the same exact things. I assume English is your first language, correct?
That crater still has a significant amount of debris being ejected from it, as seen in the panel on the right, and once again, there's no evidence Saints are capable of performing complete atomic annihilation to any object at this point in time, to begin with.Leonidas28 said:chapter 2 crater
So are you proposing the area that Seiya's fist hits is the only thing that can be assumed to being destroyed on the atomic level and everything is else such as the pebbles and debris is just the aftermath of the force of his fist?Kepekley23 said:Saints can destroy atoms (the individual energy yield of one singular atom being destroyed is far from impressive). That still doesn't justify even one trillionth of the idea that they were capable of atomic disintegration on a complete, total scale when creating these Chapter 1 craters.
This isn't visual vs. statements. It's the visuals versus statements, explanations and verse mechanics that don't even contradict the visuals to begin with.
Lune's body was disintegrated. The armor is not, but this armor is made of an Underworld material, therefore, it is not normal matter.Dargoo Faust said:> Kanon did thisThere isn't anything statement-wise or visuals wise that say or show anything regarding atomization. In fact, there's active contradiction of this with "my whip is being pulverized".
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Because no, even the series describes that they destroy matter at the atomic level, and Silver like Mayura (without their maximum power) and Misty who are not much more powerful than they can disintegrate a giant creature or a meteorite.Kepekley23 said:That crater still has a significant amount of debris being ejected from it, as seen in the panel on the right, and once again, there's no evidence Saints are capable of performing complete atomic annihilation to any object at this point in time, to begin with.
Because it disintegrates Lune's body completely, even if an armor made of a material that resists atomic level transmutation was not completely destroyed.Dargoo Faust said:Okay.
I still don't see where any of this supports complete atomization.
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Dargoo Faust said:@Leonida
I never said Saint Seiya is being downgraded to 9-B. My only issue is with how these specific feats are being calculated.
In the series, the author describes that his attacks destroy matter at the atomic level (even in some occasions the nucleus of the atom destroyed is drawn) and for the two examples mentioned we can observe a complete disintegration of the object, therefore, I think what confirms that they are capable of complete atomic disintegration.Kepekley23 said:Literally none of those instances prove that they are capable of complete atomic disintegration. Just that they can target atoms to an extent. The visuals of every single instance of atomic destruction are consistent with the idea that they have some sort of disintegration ability, but that they don't come close to complete destruction.
Dargoo Faust said:I think you underestimate how good pulverization and fragmentation feats can be. Most of the characters on the site are rated by them.
Off-topic, though. We can discuss re-tiering once the arguments proposed by the OP are accepted.
So it's just this specific feat and the calculation of this.Dargoo Faust said:I think you underestimate how good pulverization and fragmentation feats can be. Most of the characters on the site are rated by them.
Off-topic, though. We can discuss re-tiering once the arguments proposed by the OP are accepted.
The Gold Saints, I described and showed Silver Saints feats (one example is just a casual attack), a Bronze Saints is much more powerful than a Silver since the beginning the battle with the Golds, and Seiya and company are not much weaker than these Silver Saints at the beginning of the series (even Hyoga, Ikki and Shun are more powerful than a Silver from the beginning).Kepekley23 said:Yes, some Golden Saints do show specific attacks that completely erase on the atomic scale, but that doesn't apply to Bronze Saints at all.