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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
He never deleted anything, but this will be for another topic and better explain what he was really doing in that scene, since his goal was literally just to conquer the world, even trying to return to this world after the battle. In fact, the destruction he was doing would be caused by the changes in time and the beasts/creatures appearance and structures from other times that would attack humanity, the goal was to destroy the structure of the world and thus conquer it.
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What tier should Cronus be according to you?
 
StekFence said:
His comment about Zeus not being able to avoid it seems to go against that. Like, what is Zeus not gonna be able to avoid, the dinosuars?
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Zeus cannot avoid the changes in the time caused by Cronus, since he is not a god of time. But his goal was never to destroy the world completely, but simply to destroy the structure of the world, to extinguish humanity and to conquer this world for himself.
 
Veronica said:
Found this at the end

Note: The reason for Unsealed Cronus being rated as 2-A is this:

In Vols 19 and 20 of Saint Seiya Episode G, he shows that he is capable of erasing all of time in a manner of minutes.



"Acabei de destruir a Adamas Psammos que se encontra no labirinto de Cronos. Minha ampulheta que controla o tempo, sem ela... As horas saem de controle. O passado e o futuro, tanto daqui como da terra, se confundem... E tudo cai no mais terrivel caos..."

Meaning: "I have just destroyed the Adamas Psammos which was inside the Labyrinth of Cronus. My hourglass which controls time, without it... The passing of the hours loses all control. The past and future, both of here and of Earth, are twisted... And all fall into the most terrible chaos."



"A chama de meus braços é um indicador. Cada chama que se apaga é mais um desvio do tempo. Se não me destruirem antes de todas elas se apagaram... Tudo aqui e na terra entrara em colapso e acabara em ruínas. E isso nem Zeus poderia evitar..."

Meaning: "The flames of my arms are an indicator: With each flame that is extinguished, a further shift in time occours. If you do not destroy me before they are all gone... Then everything both here and on Earth will collapse and end in ruin. And that not even Zeus will be able to avoid."



"O que foi? Levanta dai. Ou vai deixar a chama do tempo se extinguir? Quando essa chama se apagar, esta terra desaparacera. Olha só... Uma já se foi..."

Meaning: "What happened? Get up already. Or are you going to let the flames of time be extinguished? When this flame fades, this earth will disappear. Oh, look... One's already gone."
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But this feat in question is only 2-C and not 2-A
 
StekFence said:
The destruction is being caused by the absence of his clock, personally, I don’t see how he scales to it, I think there are better arguments for him being 2-A.
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I also think it would need better arguments, for me Cronos scales directly to 2-C, I don't think it has support for 2-A, not with that explanation above.
 
Veronica said:
Why probably 2-C? He is far above Hades who scales to 3 universes. So how can it be any below it?!
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He is not stronger than Hades, although he is probably at a level close to him and I mentioned that level as probable, because there are some feats that we will have to analyze and could even increase the level of these characters, even the world of the dead only gets bigger as time and chapters go by, now we even have more parts like the Tartaros or the space of unlimited darkness that exists before reaching the Underworld.
 
Veronica said:
Is there evidence that he is infinitely above Hades?
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I don't think so, from what I remember Cronos looks like he was absorbed by Hades ( something like people have told me before ) my knowledge about episode G is not much, I think the work like visual pollution, I don't even know what's going on, the manga is well drawn, but you feel like you're seeing a blur of colors from a child drawing on a board, I just don't see EP G because of the pollution
 
Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
He is not stronger than Hades, although he is probably at a level close to him and I mentioned that level as probable, because there are some feats that we will have to analyze and could even increase the level of these characters, even the world of the dead only gets bigger as time and chapters go by, now we even have more parts like the Tartaros or the space of unlimited darkness that exists before reaching the Underworld.
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Will you make a crt?
 
I think cronos is probably above Poseidon and Hades, since Zeus is the one who had to defeat him, and Zeus is well, above Poseidon and Hades
 
Veronica said:
Found this at the end

Note: The reason for Unsealed Cronus being rated as 2-A is this:

In Vols 19 and 20 of Saint Seiya Episode G, he shows that he is capable of erasing all of time in a manner of minutes.



"Acabei de destruir a Adamas Psammos que se encontra no labirinto de Cronos. Minha ampulheta que controla o tempo, sem ela... As horas saem de controle. O passado e o futuro, tanto daqui como da terra, se confundem... E tudo cai no mais terrivel caos..."

Meaning: "I have just destroyed the Adamas Psammos which was inside the Labyrinth of Cronus. My hourglass which controls time, without it... The passing of the hours loses all control. The past and future, both of here and of Earth, are twisted... And all fall into the most terrible chaos."



"A chama de meus braços é um indicador. Cada chama que se apaga é mais um desvio do tempo. Se não me destruirem antes de todas elas se apagaram... Tudo aqui e na terra entrara em colapso e acabara em ruínas. E isso nem Zeus poderia evitar..."

Meaning: "The flames of my arms are an indicator: With each flame that is extinguished, a further shift in time occours. If you do not destroy me before they are all gone... Then everything both here and on Earth will collapse and end in ruin. And that not even Zeus will be able to avoid."



"O que foi? Levanta dai. Ou vai deixar a chama do tempo se extinguir? Quando essa chama se apagar, esta terra desaparacera. Olha só... Uma já se foi..."

Meaning: "What happened? Get up already. Or are you going to let the flames of time be extinguished? When this flame fades, this earth will disappear. Oh, look... One's already gone."
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The verse will be undergoing a huge revision in the future, so don’t put too much stock in what’s on the profiles at this point in time, they will likely change.
 
Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
He is not stronger than Hades, although he is probably at a level close to him and I mentioned that level as probable, because there are some feats that we will have to analyze and could even increase the level of these characters, even the world of the dead only gets bigger as time and chapters go by, now we even have more parts like the Tartaros or the space of unlimited darkness that exists before reaching the Underworld.
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Kronos is absolutely stronger than Hades.

Zeus needed a special divine Titan killing weapon to beat Kronos, and Zeus is absolutely superior to Hades.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Honestly, no idea.

but Classic and G stuff are likely to be separated, so Cronuses profile will likely be deleted for some time until we sort out a lot of the G scaling and profiles.
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I heard they will be upgraded to Low 1-C, but you do expect a upgrade or downgrade, since there are some holes in the 2-A rating
 
Veronica said:
Are there any feat of destruction of multiple universes?
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Hades death caused the destruction of multiple universes, but besides that, I don’t know of any. There are statements that Cronos exists as time itself, which would make him 2-A via being the multiverse. In addition, recent chapters of GR seem to be gearing up the primordials to be 2-A
 
Veronica said:
I heard they will be upgraded to Low 1-C, but you do expect a upgrade or downgrade, since there are some holes in the 2-A rating
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I’m mostly out of the loop, but the current 2-A rating is based on poor translations.

id personally be fine with deleting the G god profiles, they’re actually awful
 
Mfw the end of Next Dimension releases and the last page says go read GA to see what happens next
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The only actual bad part about that happening would be how Zeus got handled, Okada is doing a good job with the primordials and Seiya thus far
 
SSJGeminiJJ said:
Mfw the end of Next Dimension releases and the last page says go read GA to see what happens next
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TheUnshakableOne's dream would be fulfilled with that.

Although Kurumada will have to choose between his new sons, Alqui and Dollen, or his former son, Okada, as their histories are irreconcilable.

StekFence said:
Hades death caused the destruction of multiple universes, but besides that, I don’t know of any. There are statements that Cronos exists as time itself, which would make him 2-A via being the multiverse. In addition, recent chapters of GR seem to be gearing up the primordials to be 2-A
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That's for the Next Dimension version and here begin the problems with the scale of Cronos in the franchise, since we have different versions of this character, even we have the Cronos of Time Oddyssey that is far from the level of the Olympian Gods or the Cronos of Episode.G that is described as a god at the level of Athena in the Galaxian Encyclopedia.
 
Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
Cronos of Episode.G that is described as a god at the level of Athena in the Galaxian Encyclopedia.
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Tbh, this never made sense to me. The classic Ss is obviously canon to Episode G, we have author statements and flashbacks to prove it and it’s pretty obvious that Hades was >> Athena. And, the Zeus stuff heavily implies Cronos is > poseidon, hades. This is because 9th sense possessed aiolia had a Cosmo larger then Hades, and he’s weaker then the Zeus who beat Cronus.
 
StekFence said:
Tbh, this never made sense to me. The classic Ss is obiosuly canon to Episode Gl we have anuthor statements and flashbacks to prove it and it’s pretty obvious that Hades was >> Athena. And, the Zeus stuff heavily implies Cronos is > poseidon, hades. This is because 9th sense possessed aiolia had a Cosmo larger then Hades, and he’s weaker then the Zeus who beat Cronus.
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The Classic indicates that Athena is at the level of Hades, Poseidon and Zeus, even Saga mentions that Athena's weapons will put he at the level of these gods and the goddess could fight them on equal terms (even limited by her personality). It is also mentioned that Hades and Athena overcome the power of Zeus' lightning, as it is said that Zeus cannot destroy the vessel where Athena was trapped Athena, but Hades could destroy it without problems and Athena also destroys it when she gets her armor. In fact, even Athena creates 5 indestructible barriers to Hades' power. Also, remember that the 9th sense does not exist in Classic or any other spin-off. This is one of those details that will have to be analyzed, since the scale is different depending on the series.
 
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