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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Saying the powers of a god would imply it’s common to all of them. Like saying a saint can split the sky implies all saints can do it.
It's like saying that all Saints (or any warrior that dominates the cosmos) have the same techniques and abilities just because they are all human and dominate the cosmos, each character acquires their own abilities with their mastery of the cosmos, what you say is just something about physical strength, which does not apply in this case because we are not talking about physical abilities.
 
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Saint Seiya: The Beginning had its preview in Japan and according to some users on Twitter it seems that the movie was well received. So we will have to see how it is, for the moment I remind your that it will be released on April 28.

A complete look at the costumes of the characters in this film.
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I think it was officially licensed. It’s actually kinda fun to watch
This was a pilot episode for an animated adaptation of Saint Seiya for the United States, but the series was not accepted and the pilot ended up in storage, and has only recently been found and released.

Even I sometimes joke about these "hyperboles and fallacies" memes
The wall level Saint Seiya is always an epic commentary to read, although now with what was described in the spoiler for ND chapter 103 (Papillon destroys Sasha's little house), it looks like they will now have to be small house level.
 
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The wall level Saint Seiya is always an epic commentary to read, although now with what was described in the spoiler for ND chapter 103 (Papillon destroys Sasha's little house), it looks like they will now have to be small house level.
It seems that Saint Seiya is really hyperbole, and worse that he even uses it in his Box manga, bro
 
Some news about Time Odyssey Volume 2 collected during Jérôme Alquié's live on Pix'Perience's YouTube channel, it is mentioned that a character from Next Dimension will appear (although without having a major role) and the fact that there is no longer talk of a July release for the Japan Expo (France). There is no official date, but it will probably be for September (like the previous volume). Concerning the story (centered on Shun this time) we should know the first wearer the Andromeda Cloth.

Alquié also said that there was a lot of interaction with Japan for this volume, including storyboard corrections by Kuru.

The fact that Alquié mentions the inclusion of a character of ND, implies that Time Odyssey could have some connection with this story, probably the last volume (which will be centered on Seiya) could continue what was seen in the end of ND, although first we will have to see how this story ends.
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, here is the RAW of the chapter 103 of Next Dimension.

Next Dimension - Chapter 103


Spanish translation by Grupo Next Dimension.


I love how Asclepius looks like a sorcerer using his abilities with his scepter, he's basically the sorcerer of Athena's army. And it's also funny, Asclepius (and Odysseus using Asclepius' powers) can send Tenma to the place where Sasha is directly, but Athena couldn't leave the Sanctuary and had to travel for him, basically they keep showing us how Asclepius' abilities are above the gods, even though he doesn't have the power of the gods.

The era of Saint Seiya at the wall level is over and now let the era of Saint Seiya at the cottage level begin.

The return of Next Dimension and Real Madrid wins and gets a good advantage, this a great day.
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, here is the RAW of the chapter 103 of Next Dimension.

Next Dimension - Chapter 103


I love how Asclepius looks like a sorcerer using his abilities with his scepter, he's basically the sorcerer of Athena's army. And it's also funny, Asclepius (and Odysseus using Asclepius' powers) can send Tenma to the place where Sasha is directly, but Athena couldn't leave the Sanctuary and had to travel for him, basically they keep showing us how Asclepius' abilities are above the gods, even though he doesn't have the power of the gods.

The era of Saint Seiya at the wall level is over and now let the era of Saint Seiya at the cottage level begin.

The return of Next Dimension and Real Madrid wins and gets a good advantage, this a great day.

Yes except for real madrid👻
 
Ladies and gentlemen, here is the RAW of the chapter 103 of Next Dimension.

Next Dimension - Chapter 103


I love how Asclepius looks like a sorcerer using his abilities with his scepter, he's basically the sorcerer of Athena's army. And it's also funny, Asclepius (and Odysseus using Asclepius' powers) can send Tenma to the place where Sasha is directly, but Athena couldn't leave the Sanctuary and had to travel for him, basically they keep showing us how Asclepius' abilities are above the gods, even though he doesn't have the power of the gods.

The era of Saint Seiya at the wall level is over and now let the era of Saint Seiya at the cottage level begin.

The return of Next Dimension and Real Madrid wins and gets a good advantage, this a great day.

I'm so happy, CDZ is back!!!!!
 
Come on have faith in Kuru like last time!
Last time? Last time he rushed the hades arc so badly every volume in the arc makes a retcon or plot breaking inconsistency.

the ending was so bad he went and retconned it in the first 2 volumes of ND.

there’s very little reason to “have faith” in Kuru at the moment.
 
Last time? Last time he rushed the hades arc so badly every volume in the arc makes a retcon or plot breaking inconsistency.

the ending was so bad he went and retconned it in the first 2 volumes of ND.

there’s very little reason to “have faith” in Kuru at the moment.
Exactly!
 
Yeah, Kuru is not a person to put your faith in
In general, I wouldn't have faith with any manga in this franchise, the endings usually have several problems and feel rushed. Few endings really close the story well, like Omega (end of the first and second season) and TLC.

At least I hope, that if this is the ending it closes this part of the story well, because you can't really expect anything else. And maybe an absurdly happy ending, with Seiya recovered, and all the Saints who died coming back to life because of the changes in time, and at the end Saori disappearing or turned into a mortal as a punishment for playing with the time.

Oddy looking a bit blue there
It is Asclepius taking possession of Odysseus.

A probable homage by Kurumada to the design of Eris in the movie with her blue skin. I also read that Asclepius was based on Lucifer. Once again Kurumada makes more references to the anime than to any other work in the franchise.

The entire Next Dimension being Sanctuary arc rehash just to lead into and top it off with an evil Saga ripoff 😂

Dude refuses to subvert expectations
This is true, literally in this chapter Asclepius is just the Lemur, with the discourse of conquering the world and killing Athena. Kurumada will never abandon his old tropes.
 
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Why don't we use episode G or are they different versions of the main series?
In fact, they use, it's a lot of mixing us profiles, where that character doesn't have a certain ability and uses another ability from a spin-off that's a different timeline. As is the case with Hades, where he does not have type 8 immortality in the canon line, but is placed having it only because of the G which is another Hades from a totally different timeline. Basically the profiles are all disorganized lol
 
He's using EP G too and scan in spanish which isn't even allowed on vsbttles, the profile is a total mess



I don't know why you use timelines that don't even have links or mention within the canon line to establish an ability.

2 different things are being proved with a that imgur link, the G stuff establishes regen and Sho establishes type 8 and AE type 2.

and bro I agree, don’t even get me started on current DB canon, it’s worse than saint seiya at the moment.
 
2 different things are being proved with a that imgur link, the G stuff establishes regen and Sho establishes type 8 and AE type 2.

and bro I agree, don’t even get me started on current DB canon, it’s worse than saint seiya at the moment.
I strongly disagree with using derivatives to grant such an ability, as it didn't demonstrate in the mainline.

Bro, we're in Saint Seiya :3
 
Ladies and gentlemen, here is the RAW of the chapter 103 of Next Dimension.

Next Dimension - Chapter 103


Spanish translation by Grupo Next Dimension.


I love how Asclepius looks like a sorcerer using his abilities with his scepter, he's basically the sorcerer of Athena's army. And it's also funny, Asclepius (and Odysseus using Asclepius' powers) can send Tenma to the place where Sasha is directly, but Athena couldn't leave the Sanctuary and had to travel for him, basically they keep showing us how Asclepius' abilities are above the gods, even though he doesn't have the power of the gods.

The era of Saint Seiya at the wall level is over and now let the era of Saint Seiya at the cottage level begin.

The return of Next Dimension and Real Madrid wins and gets a good advantage, this a great day.

About this chapter, it was understood that there are different Gods /Goddesses, Athena was about to be reborn in the body of this girl. Kind of obvious isn't it?
 
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I strongly disagree with using derivatives to grant such an ability, as it didn't demonstrate in the mainline.

Bro, we're in Saint Seiya :3
Yeah cross scaling between derivatives shouldn’t happen, no idea why DBS is now 2-C because of GT and a bunch of outdated retconned guides from 30 years ago
 
Yeah cross scaling between derivatives shouldn’t happen, no idea why DBS is now 2-C because of GT and a bunch of outdated retconned guides from 30 years ago
It's used guides from 2015 and interviews with Akira, regarding the structure it's right, I don't know why every time when we're talking about Saint Seiya mistakes you put this lol
 
I strongly disagree with using derivatives to grant such an ability, as it didn't demonstrate in the mainline.

Bro, we're in Saint Seiya :3
Sho is part of the mainline and Kurumada's own work indicates that you need a sacred treasure (a divine weapon) to kill a god (it is even mentioned in Episode Zero, where Shura mentions that Athena can resurrect after killing her and in ND it is mentioned that you need a divine weapon like the poison of Samael, a poison that can kill gods, or the Sword of Chrysus, a weapon with the power to kill a god). Although regeneration to the level explained on the page does not exist in this franchise, because they never completely regenerated a soul and it was only damaged, even human souls do not disappear after being destroyed in multiple ways in the eternal punishment in the Underworld, basically the same series indicates that souls are ridiculously difficult to destroy in this series, this indicates a higher resistance to the destruction of a soul for the characters in this franchise, but not a regeneration of that level. Also, regeneration has to be degraded, as we never see them regenerate a body completely after being destroyed, and the most they regenerate is after great damage, and this can take them hundreds or thousands of years as indicated in the last chapter of Requiem, therefore their regeneration is only High and takes a long time to recover.

Basically the immortality of the gods, is a High regeneration in Assassin and Requiem, they can regenerate a body after it was destroyed by half, although this can take hundreds or thousands without the help of another god, so it is basically useless for these versus, although it is worth to be mentioned.
 
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Sho is part of the main line and Kurumada's own work indicates that you need a sacred treasure (a divine weapon) to kill a god (it is even mentioned in Episode Zero, where Shura mentions that Athena can resurrect after killing her and in ND it is mentioned that you need a divine weapon like the poison of Samael, a poison that can kill gods, or the Sword of Chrysus, a weapon with the power to kill a god). Although regeneration to the level explained on the page does not exist in this franchise, because they never completely regenerated a soul and it was only damaged, even human souls do not disappear after being destroyed in multiple ways in the eternal punishment in the Underworld, basically the same series indicates that souls are ridiculously difficult to destroy in this series, this indicates a higher resistance to the destruction of a soul for the characters in this franchise, but a regeneration of that level. Also, regeneration has to be degraded, as we never see them regenerate a body completely after being destroyed, and the most they regenerate is after great damage, and this can take them hundreds or thousands of years as indicated in the last chapter of Requiem, therefore their regeneration is only High and takes a long time to recover.
But wouldn't that be type 4 immortality and god level regeneration? As opposed to being type 8? Since type 8 is not worked in the canonical line and not worked on concepts in the main series.
 
But wouldn't that be type 4 immortality and god level regeneration? As opposed to being type 8? Since type 8 is not worked in the canonical line and not worked on concepts in the main series.
In no series in the franchise does it work, and the only goddess who has that level of immortality is Eris, a goddess that even Athena herself, using weapons designed to defeat evil beings like her cannot destroy, and perhaps Saturn, since he is connected to time. Basically only Eris is connected to the concept she represents in that form, that's why she literally gets stronger with conflicts and needs this to exist, which is why Kyoko (Eris) explains to Shoko that she cannot exist in a world without conflict. The problem is generalizing the exclusive abilities of some characters.

The immortality of the gods in the franchise in general is limited to only being type 1, 3 and 4 (probably also 5), with a High regeneration (although this one takes a long time, according to Episode.G, although in Kurumada's work it seems to be faster, but it was never seen how Athena was to be resurrected after Shura killed her), because they have never been seen to regenerate a body completely destroyed or reduced to dust (the only characters that have regeneration at this level are 8th Sense users such as Shaka and Ikki), and a higher resistance to soul destruction, since as it has been explained the souls in this franchise are ridiculously difficult to make them disappear, because no matter the damage they receive they do not disappear, it even seems that you need something special to completely destroy a soul and make it disappear, something like Pharaoh's technique or the power of a god.
 
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IIRC, it was lost in Viz's mediocre translations, but the raw and anime subtitles of the same scene (which are consistently way closer to the original than Viz) has Dohko tell the Bronze Saints to outright destroy Hades' real body, not just deal it a wound. Don't think the former would be possible if the gods had the invincible immortality they're argued to have.
 
In no series in the franchise does it work, and the only goddess who has that level of immortality is Eris, a goddess that even Athena herself, using weapons designed to defeat evil beings like her cannot destroy, and perhaps Saturn, since she is connected to time. Basically only Eris is connected to the concept she represents in that form, that's why she literally gets stronger with conflicts and needs this to exist, because as she tells Shoko she can't exist in a world without conflicts. The problem is generalizing the exclusive abilities of some characters.

The immortality of the gods in the franchise in general is limited to only being type 1, 3 and 4 (probably also 5), with a High regeneration (although this one takes a long time, according to Episode.G, although in Kurumada's work it seems to be faster, but it was never seen how Athena was to be resurrected after Shura killed her), and a higher resistance to soul destruction, since as it has been explained the souls in this franchise are ridiculously difficult to make them disappear, because no matter the damage they receive they do not disappear, it even seems that you need something special to completely destroy a soul and make it disappear, something like Pharaoh's technique or the power of a god.
Oh bro, so that should be changed! It doesn't seem normal at all to try to update all the Gods based on nothing, I can't wait for a team member to arrive and help fix Saint Seiya's profiles even more, there are things in the profiles that are not in the work and sometimes there are even wrong scans , not even talking about it is, Saint Seiya needs a heavy moderation about.
 
IIRC, it was lost in Viz's mediocre translations, but the raw and anime subtitles of the same scene (which are consistently way closer to the original than Viz) has Dohko tell the Bronze Saints to outright destroy Hades' real body, not just deal it a wound. Don't think the former would be possible if the gods had the invincible immortality they're argued to have.
Amazing how there is such dishonesty in this
 
I’m pretty sure the best feat of regen in the whole franchise actually comes from Seiya somehow. The most basic of the basic guys
 
Amazing how there is such dishonesty in this
I wouldn't call it dishonest on anyone's end at all the hell.. Viz aren't powerscalers, they do what they do which is localize a manga to their region, and the consumers aren't to blame if they happen to change something from the original to create a more digestible dialogue that inadvertently can give a different interpretation.
 
I wouldn't call it dishonest on anyone's end at all the hell.. Viz aren't powerscalers, they do what they do which is localize a manga to their region, and the consumers aren't to blame if they happen to change something from the original to create a more digestible dialogue that inadvertently can give a different interpretation.
I understand
 
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