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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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Simply the G trilogy is a parrallel universe.
Arale is 6D?
After I'm finished with the manga. Just with Kurumada and co writers can stop using vague open ended statements though
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I think he's talking about plot, Arale cannot be erased even with existential erasure at the plot level.
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and what does that say about cross scaling?
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No change there.
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so basically no difference between when its part of the main timeline and when its not?
high 1-B?
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Yeah pretty much, but ir definitely does change the cosmological landscape
That definitely won't end well
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you mean the cosmology? isnt that the one thing you need to keep the same in order to prove they're canon?
then? 6D?
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It already didn't end well
Saint Seiya High 1-B Upgrade (Manga)
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how can one universe within a multiverse have a vastly different cosmology then another?
so like where do you see them after your "big plans" go through? i assume its tier 1 but where? high 1-B is too high and wont go well, so maybe 5D/6D then?
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I saw that lol. Admittedly I recreated it in a Google doc with better evidence abd counter arguments to the counter argument, but. I'm just not going to do it. It's just going ti be another messIt already didn't end well
Saint Seiya High 1-B Upgrade (Manga)
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The cosmologies aren't different, and I think there is a misunderstanding on "what canon" means by wiki policy imo
Somewhere in tier 1
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wait really? explain
where?? high 1-B you already denied, only reasonable options left are somewhere in low 1-C and 1-C as far as i've seen
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There was no way that would go away either.Saint Seiya High 1-B Upgrade (Manga)
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cosmology is completely unimportant in the context of Saint Seiya there is only 3 things that matter in regards for cross scaling. There can be 2 -B multiverse or a high 1-B one doesn't matter so long as there 3 things are consistent.
Dunno depends on what staff say.
Tbh if it got more staff involvement and a bit more evidence was presented and counter arguments were addressed better. It probably could have passed. Just me though
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and those things are?
i know one person who could help you greatly but i'm kinda afraid of what'll happen if I tell you
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I highly doubt it, that wasn't even enough to be accepted with 1-B, there were even people who understand level 1 and said they didn't qualify, at most you would get low 1-C.
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Because the counter arguments were never addressed. Like going over the thread it felt like all counter arguments got ignored
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I'm just curious, but in your opinion what do yiu believe them to ne?
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Even if you had it there it wouldn't be of any use, because it simply doesn't meet the requirements to be 1-B, even a vsbtles member commented there and said that all he could get from it is a low 1-C, apart from the other translations they used, which ended up with an even more polluted crt.
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uh well from what i gathered in discussions over dragon ball canon, anything not written by the author (or where he was not super involved like DBS or Daima, or anything that he himself doesnt portray as the successor to his work) is supplementary at best to outright non-canon if it had even slight contradictions, even if it contains his work still
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I also have the same opinion, all spin-offs are not part of the canon, i see them as parallel worlds that do not share the same history and the same cosmology.
Maybe in the future I'll do a super review to separate the spin-offs from the canon material, as nothing seems to connect
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As someone that meticulously reads and reviews the tiering I think it does, but the crt linked left of tons of new information.
Yeah that's jpw o view canon too but a few exceptions do exist on the wiki.
My canon blog has extensive research on it. To summarize it
Kurumada Oversees all spin offs. He's not just a supervisor, but makes the script but also he quiet literally reviews the story board and rewrites and makes changes
Jerome, Okada, and the LC-Sho screen writers complained about it.
Poseidin manga is a very good example. Originally it was supposed to ne a rehashed plot of GA but when submitted to Kurumada be scrapped it and rewrote the plot and told them to stick to thar
They also said that all projects must be validated through Kurumada
Irs why Kurumada created his company "Kurumada pro" because Akita keeps asking him to continue and make more manga so he created his company to delegate and review all the projects
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I'm not seeing any contradiction that cause inconsistencies with cross scaling.
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unless unshakable either does a CRT with all the details or explain right now i'm not really seeing her arguments. seems more like a shaky band-aid solution to keep everything canon despite there being strong evidence against it at this point ngl
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I'll have a lot more details in the coming crts
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If you are aware if any inconsistencies let me know and I'll check it out
In all for canon split if I see no in verse explanation
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eh?
pretty sure most authors do so for spinoffs, adaptations (anime or movies) or even some video games of their series
makes sense
okay, not sure why its relevant but thats an interesting detail in itself
okay, the point is?
that doesnt tell me why they should be considered canon unfortunately. what you're saying is true for most well-established mangakas and even western writers.
that's an aside, but you haven't really explained why any of this makes it all canon. you've stated something that is, more or less to an extend, true for a lot of mangakas and writers
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I don't think revising something means it becomes canon, just like DB spin-offs or even other animes have entire series revised and that doesn't mean it's canon.
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that's not the problem. the problem is, i dont see how him having a certain level of watch on the franchise via his company warrants all projects published under his IP canon to the franchise, thats almost never the case for most verses unless an author verbatim calls them either precursors or successors to HIS original work
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You mean like he did in G in volume 1 in a massive author note introducing Okada to the fan base?
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not gonna lie i didnt really read the introduction. did he say anything in it that makes it clear all these different works from him are canon and/or a precursor and successor to his works?
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G is directly called a history to the work of Kurumada, it doesn’t get much more blatant than that. Episode G when it was coming out was fully intended to be a canon prequel.
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that i can get cuz at that time Kurumada hadnt worked on Zero and Origins but what about the successor to those works? besides i seem to recall Kurumada wanting to do a prequel involving the gold saints himself one day but couldnt for various reason, so i could get if G was canon but the others?
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It's all written by Kurumada >90%. It's all planned, and written. He's even attributed at the Author and while everyone else is stated to ne just Artist in multiple official websites
Everything I said is a totality of context and shouldn't be read as separate sections.
Actually that's a common thing people do to me. Is it like a debate tactic or is it a problem with how I write?
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There are ways to prove they’re also canon
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I mean Kurumada wanted a holy sword war. We got that in GA
He want Gaia to do something which is what GR is building towards
GA also had a Zeus
He want Gaia to do something which is what GR is building towards
GA also had a Zeus
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90% written by him? is that true? if so then yeah it would undoubtedly be canon but is there like some source for that? OG authors making active suggestions and doing art isnt really unheard of but the former statement changes everything if true
eh, they all seemed like separate points to me so thats how i chose to respond
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but isnt that bad though? because Kurumada is gonna do a heaven arc for sure and i'm like 90% sure that depiction of Zeus is gonna contradict GA like how the last ND chapters did
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tbh you could say that for a lot of franchises but canonicity is the kind of thing thats really dependent on the authors at the end of the day (except for Pokemon)
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The sources is the totality of context on the current blog. Some changes are needed though but nothing that will impact that part of it.
I should work in that then. Maybe all one paragraph?
Depends on how the story pans out + the Zeus we saw was just hin possessing a body. That was it.
There is plenty of verses that get special camoncity treatment lol
Anime vs manga vs light novel vs web Novel. The eastern media is littered with it
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Proving Classic is canon to everything is easier than proving the opposite, unless you think canon is a transitive property.
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